Background from A7YM

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
In perusing some of my background materials for "Seven-Year Mirror" I came across this. It surprised me. I'd forgotten I'd written it. The idea in the story is that there are two basic inhabitants of one planet: The Fisherfolk, and the Drysiders. In "A Fire in Arcadia I" I go into how a reject

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:45 PM Saturday 10/1/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims! > At 06:54 PM Saturday 10/1

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Oct 1, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: So, you beat me to the punch there. :) Beat me to it enough times and I'll remember it better. Doubt that's possible. I mean the punch beating. But I do like a good dogpile now and then. The difference is, of course, that your goad result

Re: Just for WTG

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Posted AFTER I saw the "scouted" article. Sigh. -- Duh-bya ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Fight the Future: Fascism: Judge Orders Girl Not To Have Sex

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 30, 2005, at 8:38 AM, The Fool wrote: Judge Orders 17-Year-Old Girl Not To Have Sex POSTED: 10:16 am EDT September 30, 2005 SHERMAN, Texas -- No sex. That's part of a sentence imposed on a 17-old-girl by Texas state district judge Lauri Blake. She's ordered the young drug offender not h

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

2005-10-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: What about Scientology? Is it real? And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? Now you're getting into the spirit of it! Hm. May

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-10-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Sep 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Eventually, someone will tell you, "Put up or shut up!" I'm beating everyone else to the punch here. :) Ahem. On Sep 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I haven't seen you propose a sensible alternative

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: What about Scientology? Is it real? And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? Now you're getting into the spirit of it! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Edi

Re: Brave New Genetic Frontiers

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 27, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Eventually, someone will tell you, "Put up or shut up!" I'm beating everyone else to the punch here. :) Ahem. On Sep 17, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I haven't seen you propose a sensible alternative yet. -- Warren Ockrassa

Re: Gay Penguins....

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 27, 2005, at 6:40 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: "Is homosexuality, as we know it, more a matter of genetics or memnetics?" Neither. Homosexuality is an idea invented by humans, and is quite recent in origins. Who sleeps with whom, rubs what against what, and wears leather or neoprene i

Just for WTG

2005-10-01 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Thought you'd love this one. "In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous demo

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Having a hammer doesn't make one a carpenter any more than having funbags makes one a mother, n'est'pas? "Funbags"? I haven't heard *that* one very much! :) (There's only so many people they can be "fun" for at any given time.) Julia who has a hammer and is

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims! > At 06:54 PM Saturday 10/1/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: > >>You can see the switch

Re: SCOUTED: Wonkette: Jurassic Perk: Crichton's Fame Exchanged for Dignity of Senate Panel

2005-10-01 Thread Robert J. Chassell
A few more thoughts on different mechanisms for persuasion: Aristotle's three branches of rhetoric plus a fourth, new branch, match David Brin's four "accountability arenas": judicial oratory -- courts deliberative -- democracy epideictic -- markets (the confusing one)

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Doug Pensinger
Matthew wrote: I agree. It doesn't make me wrong or that I don't know what I am talking about. On the whole, the Act sounds more politically moviated than anything else. A few questions; I'm no expert on any of this so bear with me. If $9/hr isn’t going to attract skilled labor, isn't th

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:54 PM Saturday 10/1/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: You can see the switch on the wall and the light fixture it serves, but you do not see the wiring or the skills and work that put it there. Umm . . . not true of everybody. (I know how it works. I can, and even have, done some small jo

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Matthew and Julie Bos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims! > On 10/1/05 6:40 AM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> So...

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 10/1/05 2:52 PM, "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Without the "prevailing wage" stuff in place for LA (or TX construction, > in the wake of Rita) there will probably be MORE people illegally > working on the construction, because it'll be easier to haul them in and > pay them less.

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: On 10/1/05 1:01 PM, "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have one question for Matthew: How many framing crews (by percentage) in your area are NOT at least half illegal Mexican immigrants? Zero. It's probably different in Texas, I know. I'm in Mi

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 10/1/05 1:01 PM, "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have one question for Matthew: > How many framing crews (by percentage) in your area are NOT at least > half illegal Mexican immigrants? Zero. It's probably different in Texas, I know. I'm in Michigan, and I know things are di

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: On 10/1/05 6:40 AM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So..you know absolutely zip about the construction job market, right? Speaking of rational thought, why don't you learn something about the subject before you start spouting off. Oh wait, conserva

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Matthew and Julie Bos
On 10/1/05 6:40 AM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So..you know absolutely zip about the construction job market, > right? > Speaking of rational thought, why don't you learn something about the > subject before you start spouting off. > Oh wait, conservative...never mind!

Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims!

2005-10-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Matthew and Julie Bos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Action Alert: Ensure Fair Wages for Hurricane Victims! > On 9/30/05 10:16 AM, "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Today I wrot