Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag

2017-09-20 Thread Robbie Joosten
ect: [ccp4bb] R free flag Hello, I am trying to refine a structure that is deposited in PDB. I have downloaded the _sigmaa.mtz file from the electron density server. Trying to run refmac using this mtz file gives me the popup free R label has not been set. How can I set free R label in an

[ccp4bb] R free flag

2017-09-19 Thread Rashi Aggarwal
Hello, I am trying to refine a structure that is deposited in PDB. I have downloaded the _sigmaa.mtz file from the electron density server. Trying to run refmac using this mtz file gives me the popup free R label has not been set. How can I set free R label in an existing mtz file so that af

Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-20 Thread Victor Lamzin
Dear Lu, The MTZ file produced at the end of the ARP/wARP protein model building is created by Refmac and contains the following: 1. New columns created for the built model: (FC, PHIC, FC_ALL, PHIC_ALL, FWT, PHWT, DELFWT, PHDELWT, FOM, FC_ALL_

Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-20 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Dear Lu Zuokun, The option you mention "do not use the Free R flag", tells ARP/wARP to do refinement without using the R-free flags, so it does not seem strange to me that it would output a file without those labels. I don't know why this would be a good idea, though, if you want to continue buil

Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-20 Thread Randy Read
When you chose the option “Do not use the Free R flag”, then you were telling Refmac not to use cross-validation and therefore to use all reflections as the working set. My experience (doubtless very limited compared to the ARP/wARP developers) is that it’s significantly better to use the Rfree

Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-20 Thread luzuok
Dear Colin and Tim, But ARPwARP uses REFMAC5 for refinement, does this means that REFMAC5 uses all reflections as working set? How to validate that the refinement is not over fit? Best wishes! Lu Zuokun -- 卢作焜 南开大学新生物站A202 At 2014-10-20 17:38:58, "Tim Gruene" wrote: >Dear L

Re: [ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-20 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Lu Zuokun, since you can use the output mtz-file from ArpWarp for model building, but not for refinement, there is no need to include the Rfree flag in its output file. Maybe the omission is a deliberate caveat to the users to pay attention to this. Best regards, Tim On 10/20/2014 04:41 AM,

[ccp4bb] R free flag missing after ARP/wARP?

2014-10-19 Thread luzuok
Dear all, I was using ARP/wARP in ccp4i, the input mtz file certainly has free R flag, but the output mzt file doesn't have the free R flag label? I chose " do not use the Free R flag" in the ARP/wARP GUI. Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this? best reagrds! Lu Zuokun -- 卢作焜 南开大学新生

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem

2010-10-22 Thread Vinson LIANG
   96.0   46167    N/A 0.1475  0.1741  N/A    Thank you all for your suggestions, Best wishes, Vinson 发件人: Ed Pozharski 收件人: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 发送日期: 2010/10/23 (周六) 12:07:48 上午 主 题: Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem I must note that it is also

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem

2010-10-22 Thread Ed Pozharski
I must note that it is also interesting to know why the sfcheck produced the R-factor that is twice as high. Of course, the R/Rfree are not supposed to match precisely (as I recall, sfcheck uses Babinet bulk solvent correction which is presumably inferior to the mask-based approach), but 28.6 vers

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem

2010-10-22 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Vinson, I would still be interested about what was the cause of the missing R-free flags and how you resolved it (I hope I did not miss an email). Kind regards, Tim On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 02:33:03PM +0800, Vinson LIANG wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > Thank you very much for your su

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem

2010-10-21 Thread Vinson LIANG
Dear all, Thank you very much for your suggestions. I try Pavel's easy method. Hopefully, the result from phenix.model_vs_data would be enough for PDB.   Best wishes,   Vinson     发件人: Pavel Afonine 收件人: PHENIX user mailing list 抄 送: Vinson LIANG 发送日期: 2010/10/22 (周五) 12:44:58 上

Re: [ccp4bb] R-free flag problem.

2010-10-21 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Vinson, Liang have a look at the penultimate table from mtzdmp your_mtz_file.mtz where your_mtz_file.mtz is the mtz-file you are using to deposit/ for refinement. That second last table lists the columns which are present in your mtz-file, their types and names and should give a clue what

[ccp4bb] R-free flag problem.

2010-10-20 Thread Vinson LIANG
Dear all, Recently I deposited a structure to PDB. However, I was told >> The R value of SF check are different from your reported value. >> >> R work in SF check = 0.2859 >> your reported R work = 0.1474 >> Also there are no R free flags in your sending files, but you reported R >> fre