[ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-13 Thread D Bonsor
Dear all, I have collected ~160 degrees of data on a new crystal form of a protein which has already been solved. Data was processed with XDS and reindex, scaled and truncated with Aimless. Both XDS and Pointless suggested a Laue group of P6/mmm with a possible space group of P6122 or P6522. S

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-13 Thread Bosch, Juergen
2.8 is not a terrible resolution to try out Buccaneer or Parrot. Your terrible R-factor might be due to a shift in residues perhaps ? Your After-building map does not show much of a side chain density to judge if you are in frame or off. But the elongated helix is in my eyes convincing enough. O

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-13 Thread Tim Gruene
Good evening, the large gap of 35% vs 45% indicates overfitting, e.g. too high a matrix weight in refmac. This would result in a flattening of the difference density so that you don't see additional features to improve your structure on. This is way it is better to first work on the model resultin

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-14 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:44:44 +, D Bonsor wrote: Dear D, I agree with Tim and Jürgen that a) the map after Phaser, and before refinement is the most unbiased and should be used for sequence assignment. b) there may be a sequence register shift error that is responsible for the high R-value

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-15 Thread James Holton
Its possible you are in a lower space group, perhaps with some twinning, but your search model is different enough to only find a "solution" when things are over-merged. Try refining your P6522 model against data merged in P65. If the other copy (symmetry mate in P6522) does not show up, you ma

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
mes Holton Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 23:29 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group? Its possible you are in a lower space group, perhaps with some twinning, but your search model is different enough to only find a "solution" when things are over-me

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
- > Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von James > Holton > Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 23:29 > An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group? > > Its possible you are in a lower space group, perhaps with some twi

[ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread ruisher hu
Hi, Dear CCP4 group, I recently collect one dataset and indexed as P4 space group. When I try to do MR with a tetramer as input, I found the solution file suggested P41. SOLU SET RFZ=5.2 TFZ=10.3 PAK=0 LLG=239 LLG=366 TFZ==20.9 SOLU SPAC P 41 SOLU 6DIM ENSE ensemble1 EULER 50.265 0.217 219.800

Re: [ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread vellieux
Hello, What about the enantiomorphic space groups (the 4(3) screw axes instead of the 4(1) screw axes) ? These cannot be distinguised on the basis of structure factor amplitudes (unless you have an anomalous scatterer) nor on the basis of the specific extinctions (both screw axes extinguish th

Re: [ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-12-01 Thread Randy Read
If that solution applies to the original model you used (and not to re-solving the structure with the molecular replacement solution before or after refinement), then your tetramer model is just being rotated by 90 degrees around the 4-fold and placed on a different origin, i.e. the solution is