Prime Sinister Jim Choate whines:
I *AM* my own ISP you dunderhead. I don't like some asshole with zero
investment or liability through my acts telling me how to configure my
mail server or how often to mow my front yard.
Declan the dunderhead fella wrote:
#If you're listed on their
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
Not always. If you refused to have your site reviewed, then they would
literally make one up.
Huh? If theyr'e checking
Typically, you misunderstand a vigorous defense of someone's right to
publish certain information with endorsement of the information published.
Also typically, in a Choatian sense, you erroneously conflate speech with
action.
The rest is blather and not worth responding to.
-Declan
At
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is another dark side to ORBS which seems to be missed here: Most
people's primary complaint about spammers is that they (the spammer) is
making use of network services at someone elses expense, without
permission of the spamee. ORBS is
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mac Norton wrote:
I think it's a typo. I think Declan meant
reputation punishing tool.
If he didn't, he should have. Good riddance
to bad rubbish--though, as I suppose would Declan
or even Choate, I'd defend the bastard's right to
be a bastard, so long as he's
ORBS *was* a reputation server - as with any real instance of such,
the reputations it publishes are the opinions of the publisher,
and the rest of the users of the higher-level reputation system
have to decide how much creedence to give those opinions.
In this case, a sufficiently large number
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet,
some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and
direct complaints.
Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect
people to form an
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
Not always. If you refused to have your site reviewed, then
The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. If you don't
like what spam critics are doing, move to a different ISP.
-Declan
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:07:16AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the
At 09:17 AM 06/12/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#One popular theory mooted on the Net is that Brown closed down
#the site rather than comply with a New Zealand court order
#demanding that he remove two specific ISPs from the blacklist.
I know I sound naive asking this, but has something like this
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html
#
#A spam cop goes AWOL
#
#The ORBS blacklist, a controversial tool for stopping unsolicited
#e-mail, is suddenly inaccessible.
#
#- - - - - - - - - - - -
#
#By Damien Cave
#
#June 8, 2001 |
I see I was unclear.
I never said ORBS is an *accurate* reputation-publishing tool. I have
never said it was entirely focused on spammers. I have never said I
uncritically accept it or use it on the machines for which I am responsible.*
But it is, nevertheless, beyond question that ORBS and its
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