On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 05:54:02PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> > > > And in case you missed it, there's 100s of sites these days such
> > > > as http://opensourcemachinetools.org/wordpress/
>
> > > Which don't tell you how to make a pencil.
>
> On 2019-09-23 09:33, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 06:15:00PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> On 2019-09-21 11:48, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:53:21PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> > > And the fact that you have not sketched an outline tells me that you lack
> > > the
> > > knowledge to eve
On 2019-09-21 11:48, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:53:21PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
And the fact that you have not sketched an outline tells me that you lack the
knowledge to even think about what would be needed.
It might behoove your interactions to caution your o
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:53:21PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> And the fact that you have not sketched an outline tells me that you lack the
> knowledge to even think about what would be needed.
It might behoove your interactions to caution your own words with
qualifications here and there.
On 2019-09-20 06:55, Punk wrote:
yes, more crony capitalism
Every technological advance that created industrial civilization came
from what you are calling crony capitalism.
On 2019-09-20 12:25, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
I am confident I could learn to make a pencil, work to obtain
required tools and inputs, and make a pencil.
If you had even started to think about what would be necessary to make a
pencil, you would have sketched in an outline of how you would go abo
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 05:29:59AM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> > jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> > > The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows
> > > how to make pencils
>
> On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote:
> > unhinged nonsense
>
> Let us see you make a pencil
On 2019-09-20 06:16, Punk wrote:
Now, if one bothers to look at history books, one can learn that
INDIVIDUALS made COMPLEX CLOCKS, BY HAND, hundred of years BEFORE the
FUCKING 'industrial revolution'
Not individuals, because those clocks were built under the medieval
apprenticeship syste
On 2019-09-20 06:16, Punk wrote:
by the way, notice how talking to ignorant fucktards like donald is
almost counterproductive. It's hilarious that the guy pretends to have some
sort of 'technical' background given his limitless ignorance regarding the
history of engineering.
N
Again, the Bessemer process for making steel:
Bessemer found a way to make large amounts of good steel cheaply.
He tried to sell his way to other steel makers, selling his method and
his advice.
They tried to follow the Bessemer process, and they failed. Their steel
was crap. They were pis
Socialism is a bad idea because NASA telling Musk how to build rockets
does not work.
Socialism is a bad idea because the family court running a family does
not work.
Capitalism is a good idea because the dad running the family works, and
Musk telling engineers how to build a rocket does wor
Shockley told people how to build transistors, and Wernher von Braun
told people how to build rockets.
But that did not work. They had to be in a position where people had to
listen to them *respectfully*.
And that is why NASA, in the end, had to tell people to treat Wernher
von Braun respe
On September 19, 2019 12:57:06 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
>On 2019-09-20 03:31, Razer wrote:
>>> Do you know how to make a pencil?
>
>> Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered
>graphite wrapped in wood pulp, painted yellow, with a little metal band
>and a pice of rub
On 2019-09-20 03:41, Razer wrote:
[Wernher von Brau] wasn't "Kidnapped", and my father, who worked with him at
NASA Huntsville, verified that.
He did quite nicely for himself economically and was immune from ANY criticism
by fellow employees.
My father had a 'meeting' with the "guys in suits"
The schmuck is a Rocket Scientist. He KNOWS Musk builds better blah blah.
On September 19, 2019 12:45:19 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
>On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote:
>> by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature
>of 'knowledge in society' are usually presented
On 2019-09-20 03:31, Razer wrote:
Do you know how to make a pencil?
Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered graphite wrapped
in wood pulp, painted yellow, with a little metal band and a pice of rubber on
top.
Nuts.
I don't believe you. You cannot make a pencil, exce
On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote:
by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature of
'knowledge in society' are usually presented as arguments against central
planning. Notice how the fascist shitbag donald is trying to turn them on their
head.
The argument against
jam...@echeque.com wrote:
The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows
how to make pencils
On 2019-09-20 04:59, Punk wrote:
unhinged nonsense
Let us see you make a pencil.
by the way, arguments regarding the ANARCHIC and distributed nature of
'kn
On September 18, 2019 11:08:09 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
>On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
>> Exactly. Workers don't need the boss.
>
>Let me tell you a story about NASA.
>
>The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him
[SNIP]
He wasn't "Kidnapped", and my f
On September 18, 2019 10:55:12 PM PDT, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
>On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
>> Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them
>
>Do you know how to make a pencil?
>
Yes. I also know how to make a piece of charcoal, OR sintered graphite wrapped
in wood pulp,
The reason you need a boss to make a pencil is that almost no one knows
how to make pencils - or any other common object, and the guy who does
know is probably the boss of a pencil factory. He probably learned it
by working under someone else who was boss of a pencil factory, but not
everyone,
On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote:
> > lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'.
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 07:18:49PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it.
On 2019-09-19 19:43, Zenaan Harkn
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 07:18:49PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote:
> > lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'.
>
> Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it.
"without a boss telling you how to do
On 2019-09-19 11:39, Punk wrote:
lots of things can be done with little capital and no 'supervision'.
Lets see if you can make a pencil without a boss telling you how to do it.
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 06:19:13AM +, jim bell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk
> wrote:
> >5) How are prices determined in the current fascist enviroment?
> To some degree, there is usually competition.
> > and 6) what is this?
> > The Big Bank
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 04:08:09PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
> > Exactly. Workers don't need the boss.
>
> Let me tell you a story about NASA.
>
> The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him in
> charge of building rockets.
>
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 03:55:12PM +1000, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
> > Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them
>
> Do you know how to make a pencil?
>
> Could you make a pencil without the boss providing the tools, the materials,
> and the di
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk
wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:24:19 + (UTC)
jim bell wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 08:19:27 PM PDT, Punk wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 03:00:58 + (UTC)
> jim bell wrote:
>> Again, you clearly DISA
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
Exactly. Workers don't need the boss.
Let me tell you a story about NASA.
The Nazis kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the rocket club, and put him
in charge of building rockets.
Then the Americans kidnapped Wernher von Braun from the Nazis and gave
him to w
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
Exactly. Workers don't need the boss. The boss needs them
Do you know how to make a pencil?
Could you make a pencil without the boss providing the tools, the
materials, and the direction on how to use those tools and materials.
Let us see your pencil.
On 2019-09-19 06:54, Razer wrote:
Exactly. Workers don't need the boss.
You are not going to build the Trump tower, except one man has the
vision, the knowledge, and the skills, and a thousand people give effect
to his vision.
If you had a thousand people making it up as they go along, they
> All your contributions are freedom-destroying.
I remember my early cp days and wondering how "commercial enterprise"
would work in an actually libertarian or anarchistic community.
Folks round here pointed me to various readings to understand certain
concepts I was missing, and I peeked at Baku
On 2019-09-19 08:28, Punk wrote:
It is 'self-evident' that even to this very day little things like say,
skycrapers or huge container ships are not made by 'machines'. They are made by
people using tools. Lots of uh, WORKERS, work, for instance, in construction.
But they would not be
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 01:54:28 PM PDT, Razer
wrote:
On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote:
>>Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow
>>entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the
>>products the machine
On September 18, 2019 1:24:19 PM PDT, jim bell wrote:
>Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow
>entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the
>products the machine is producing? Rather than merely being
>compensated for their time and effort?
On September 18, 2019 5:18:08 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote:
>On 9/17/19, Punk wrote:
>> Dude get a couple of books. One on political
>> philosophy, the other on economics.
>
>If you actually bothered to list your books,
>people might actually bother to pick them
>up and read them.
>
>So what exactly
> But guess what. There was a copy in my browser's cache. =)
Information wants to be free.
It's fair game to disagree (as vehemently as you choose) with
someone's current position - but perhaps we should thank folks for
being open with the world when they admit to at least part of their
jou
On 9/17/19, Punk wrote:
> Dude get a couple of books. One on political
> philosophy, the other on economics.
If you actually bothered to list your books,
people might actually bother to pick them
up and read them.
So what exactly is your top 5 reading
list of books for people to read?
> rest of
On 2019-09-18 10:26, Punk wrote:
And again, I'll point out that only two people on this list have
hysterically parroted 9/11 pentagon propaganda. The commie tazer, and the 'ex'
commie cunt james donald.
And as I pointed out last time, it is not the Pentagon that has funny
stuff conne
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 04:43:11 PM PDT, Razer
wrote:
On September 16, 2019 9:48:23 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote:
>>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft
>>
>>https://mises.org/books-library
>Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft fuck
On 2019-09-18 09:42, Razer wrote:
Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft fuck you very
much.
Nuts
The proportion of GDP that goes to profits is about ten percent.
And they earn it.
Suppose someone plants trees, and they grow for thirty years, and he or
his sons harve
On September 16, 2019 9:48:23 PM PDT, grarpamp wrote:
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft
>
>https://mises.org/books-library
Taking most of the surplus value created by my labor is theft fuck you very
much.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=taxation+is+theft
https://mises.org/books-library
This... Just this.
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