On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:28:52PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> I also believe that December freeze is quite difficult for all parts
> involved. Another team that will have bigger problems is the security
> team but it is not yet clear how they will manage to support an extra
> release.
Actuall
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:37:20PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> > Otavio, let me make it clear for all readers that you're talking on
> > behalf of debian installer team.
> >
> > I'm sure d-i team is very important to RM team. Communicatio
Why not freeze in June 2010 instead of December 2009 and then freeze
again in December 2011*? Mark Shuttleworth seems (at least seemed) to
be fine with delaying Ubuntu LTS by half a year to get Ubuntu and Debian
in sync [1]:
| The LTS will be either 10.04 or 10.10 - based on the conversation that
Hello Gustavo,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> Hi Otavio,
>
> Thanks for the heads up. In other words, it seems you're fine with the
> overall idea but is skeptical about the timing, right?
I hope that this big mess will turns to be a way to people to realise
that coordin
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:46:04PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
> that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
> notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
>
I disagree. The images for the males are just
Hi Otavio,
Thanks for the heads up. In other words, it seems you're fine with the
overall idea but is skeptical about the timing, right?
I also think the bottom line of your argument is that due the amount
of coordination we need we may miss some pieces of the puzzle. Well,
it's clear RM team wil
Hello,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> Otavio, let me make it clear for all readers that you're talking on
> behalf of debian installer team.
>
> I'm sure d-i team is very important to RM team. Communication is far
> from being a strong quality of this project, with that i
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On 29-07-2009 23:42, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Andreas Tille writes:
>> I do not think that we could risk as a small non-commercial
>> project (compared to the given examples) that our logo we advertised
>> for a "not so long" timespan becomes o
Le Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:08:02AM +0200, Meike Reichle a écrit :
>
> the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to
> skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian
> GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed).
Dear release team,
I would
Andreas Tille writes:
> I do not think that we could risk as a small non-commercial
> project (compared to the given examples) that our logo we advertised
> for a "not so long" timespan becomes outdated and our users might
> become unhappy about "outdated" T-Shirts etc.
Gives one a good reason t
On 2009-07-29 10:11 (-0500), Peter Samuelson wrote:
> I believe freezing four months before an Ubuntu LTS release would not
> benefit Debian at all. Freezing _after_ an LTS release, or at least
> after an LTS freeze, would help Debian quite a lot more.
I believe the same. Mark Shuttleworth said s
Otavio, let me make it clear for all readers that you're talking on
behalf of debian installer team.
I'm sure d-i team is very important to RM team. Communication is far
from being a strong quality of this project, with that in mind could
you please try to dissociate a little from the whole thing
frederiqu...@gmail.com wrote:
>I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
This will never happen, since Debian and the FSF have different ideas
about what is free.
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:56:31PM +0200, Fathi Boudra wrote:
> About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
I do not buy the argument that several companies changed their logo.
These might have their reasons over a certain *timespan* and they
might have experts to calc
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Stefano Zacchiroli [090729 18:22]:
>> Please, everybody, stop this kind of "you evil DebConf attendees have
>> decided for us all" arguments. The "time-based freeze" has been
>> announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh n
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Michael Banck wrote:
> Well, you have to draw the line somewhere - we skipped KDE4 with lenny
> and will apparently skip GNOME3 with squeeze.
This way, we still continue to lose desktop users and the same apply
to stable/server users (Debian stable vs Ubuntu LTS).
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:50:41PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> team being the most important, IMHO), but I don't think there is a
> historical precedence (or even clear desire) of the release team
> contacting lots of teams beforehand on release timeline decisions.
>
For the record, mail"KDE pl
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:46:04PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
> that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
> notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
> Some other people seemed to think that I was exa
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 05:23:41PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
>
> Nice. Now we have two approaches on redesigning parts of Debian.
> I do like the design as proposed by Kalle somewhat better.
>
Cool, Care to give a link?
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Hi!
Fathi Boudra schrieb:
>> What do you think? :D
> I don't like much the illustration and prefer Kalle's design.
> About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
I agree, especially about the logo. While our current logo is quite
well known and associated to us -- ju
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> What do you think? :D
I don't like much the illustration and prefer Kalle's design.
About the logo, I like current logo and don't see why we need a new one.
cheers,
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:12:48PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> I agree with Marga in that I don't think these images are appropriate
> for marketing Debian. This doesn't detract at all their artistic and
> other qualities, but I don't think we as a project should use sexuality,
> eroticism, or n
ke, 2009-07-29 kello 12:46 -0300, Margarita Manterola kirjoitti:
> Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view
> that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the
> notebook on the pillow is disturbing.
I agree with Marga in that I don't think these images
Goswin von Brederlow writes:
> Frans Pop writes:
>
>> On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
>>> The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
>>> development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
>>
>> Disappointing to see such an announcement without a
Hello,
should we possibly think of alternatives to the current way to present
releases? I was
thinking about the possibility to adopt some principles from version management
that we
got accustomed to in programming ...
My hunch is that everyone has a few tools that he/she wants to work on in da
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:24:23PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > Please, everybody, stop this kind of "you evil DebConf attendees have
> > decided for us all" arguments. The "time-based freeze" has been
> > announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
> > attendees as
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:32:03PM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Stefano Zacchiroli [090729 18:22]:
> > Please, everybody, stop this kind of "you evil DebConf attendees have
> > decided for us all" arguments. The "time-based freeze" has been
> > announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it
* Stefano Zacchiroli [090729 18:22]:
> Please, everybody, stop this kind of "you evil DebConf attendees have
> decided for us all" arguments. The "time-based freeze" has been
> announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
> attendees as it was fresh news for everybody els
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:23:55AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
> >> important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
> >> probably sound like "While we appreciate the plan of fixed freeze cycles,
> >> t
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Agnieszka Czajkowska has presented this morning at DebConf a very nice
> redesign proposal off the Debian logo and the Debian website. She has been
> working on this all the last year as part of her master thesis in Design.
I like the sl
* Stefano Zacchiroli [2009-07-29 18:22]:
> Please, everybody, stop this kind of "you evil DebConf attendees have
> decided for us all" arguments. The "time-based freeze" has been
> announced/proposed during a talk at DebConf; it was fresh news for the
> attendees as it was fresh news for everybod
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:42:17PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Ditto. Conferences are a great way to get a bunch of people together
> and kick ideas around, but they are *not* the Annual General Meeting
> of the project.
>
> Issues this sweeping should only be decided via clear, open
> discussion u
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:38:45AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> Well, yes and no. I think a freeze every two years is a good
> idea. I just do not think that we should freeze in 5 months or so.
>
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:11:39PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> > Sune Vuorela wrote:
> >
> > >We also need to coordinate such things with the larger packaging teams
> > >to see wether it fits their schedules and their upstream schedules
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:13:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:40AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> > Do we as developers have other ways to say "This is really bad, please
> > don't" other than doing a GR.
>
> Well, if you *really* want to do that, I've a techni
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> (Which is still an important and necessary process, even if some people
> currently feel the release team is shoving this decision down their throats
> - if there are problems with the proposed plan, we can only fix those and
> make the next Debian rel
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Sune Vuorela (nos...@vuorela.dk) wrote:
>> I'm hoping that we can convince the release team to change their mind.
>
> I doubt you can, and I hope you don't. It could have been announced
> better, but in general I think it's a good thing for Debian. P
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> The Debian project did empower the Release Team to manage our
> releases. We did not tell them "Manage the release by exactly following
> whatever we did in the past". So they are entirely free to chose the way
> a release is done.
§2.1. Genera
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Patrick
Schoenfeld wrote:
> Nice. Now we have two approaches on redesigning parts of Debian.
> I do like the design as proposed by Kalle somewhat better.
I don't think the designs are mutually exclusive. The new logo and
the general style proposed by pixelgirl ca
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> > count me in.
>
>> me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
>> important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
>> probably sound like "Wh
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Nico Golde wrote:
> Hi,
> * Sune Vuorela [2009-07-29 12:07]:
>> On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes wrote:
>> > Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
>> > Release Team?
>>
>> What I have seen so far, both from the press announcement and from the
>> v
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
> the Release Team?
A proposal would have been absolutely appropriate, with
discussions by various teams as to the best time to freeze.
> To be clear the Release Team cannot just
On Wed, Jul 29 2009, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Steffen Moeller schrieb:
>
>> Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
>> the
>> announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
>
> The text was coordinated within the entire pres
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25:01AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> Steffen Moeller schrieb:
> > Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
> > the
> > announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
> The text was coordinated within the
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:51:22PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> Agnieszka Czajkowska has presented this morning at DebConf a very nice
> redesign proposal off the Debian logo and the Debian website. She has been
> working on this all the last year as part of her master thesis in Design.
>
> You c
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
> The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
> development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
I am fine with that, at least I think we should give a chance to this
method. They are some concerns about bad synchr
[Luk Claes]
> Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
> the Release Team?
So this is a proposal?
The Vancouver proposal should have taught us a lesson: when you
announce a big change, if you truly intend for it to be a proposal to
be discussed, you have to state this
Hi,
Agnieszka Czajkowska has presented this morning at DebConf a very nice
redesign proposal off the Debian logo and the Debian website. She has been
working on this all the last year as part of her master thesis in Design.
You can take a look at her presentation at:
https://penta.debconf.org
Hi!
Steve Langasek schrieb:
>> Please try to put yourself in our (the press teams) place:
>> * In the release teams keynote a major change is announced
>> * It is clear, that the topic will be picked up by journalists
> I wonder why this is clear, exactly - I didn't notice journalists in
> the ro
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sune Vuorela wrote:
>
> >We also need to coordinate such things with the larger packaging teams
> >to see wether it fits their schedules and their upstream schedules. For
> >example from a KDE point of view, it is around teh worst time.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:49:40AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> Do we as developers have other ways to say "This is really bad, please
> don't" other than doing a GR.
Well, if you *really* want to do that, I've a technical device to
offer. In the past days, by coincidence, I've worked to setup a
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:21:09AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
>
> The Release Team proposed a plan in the keynote at DebConf. There
> were some important considerations, but in general the audience
> welcomed the plan.
>
I am sorry Luk, but keeping in silent does not mean agreing with what has been
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:41:40PM +0530, Kartik Mistry wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Goswin von Brederlow
> wrote:
> > It was discussed at debconf. Lots of explanation given there seems to
> > have been left out of the announcement.
>
> BOF? Talk? Where I can find explanation(s)?
>
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:17:27PM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> >> If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
> >> might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
> > I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
> > brought: D
Luk Claes wrote:
The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the momentum
to make a time based freeze work. If we would delay, it will very
probably mean that many developers 'forget' about what the time based
freeze is about.
Is it so important this momentum? Is it grave, for
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:12:58AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
> > The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
> > development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
> Disappointing to see such an announcement without a
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>>> count me in.
>
>> me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
>> important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
>> probably sound like "While we appreciate the
Hi!
Thijs Kinkhorst schrieb:
>> If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
>> might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
> I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
> brought: DD's like myself are learning of this decision from a
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:36:16PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > count me in.
> me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the
> important teams in Debian. If i'd have to come up with a GR it would
> probably sound like "While we appreciate the plan of fixed freeze cycles,
>> No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
>> project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
> No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is free to accept or
> refuse the plan. Of course refusing the plan will have its consequences
> within the Release Team
* Sandro Tosi (mo...@debian.org) wrote:
> > From what I understand because the long freeze period we had last time
> > is making problems all around for users (of unstable/testing) and
> > developers as well as the release itself.
>
> This is a fact (lenny release was too long) but doesn't address
* Sune Vuorela (nos...@vuorela.dk) wrote:
> I'm hoping that we can convince the release team to change their mind.
I doubt you can, and I hope you don't. It could have been announced
better, but in general I think it's a good thing for Debian. Please get
over how it was announced.
Thank
On Wed, July 29, 2009 14:24, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> If you don't like that, don't shoot the messenger, because they
> might get sick of being shooten at at every occasion; thanks.
I think an important critic in this thread is the way the message was
brought: DD's like myself are learni
Hi!
Marc Haber schrieb:
>>> Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
>>> the
>>> announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
>> The text was coordinated within the entire press team, our release
>> masters, the head of the technical commit
Hello,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Nico Golde wrote:
> The only thing that really bugs me a bit that the security
> team hasn't been contacted about this beforehand as well and
> as we need to support the releases this sucks a bit. But
> well, let's see what happens and LART them later in cas
Hi,
* Sune Vuorela [2009-07-29 12:07]:
> On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes wrote:
> > Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
> > Release Team?
>
> What I have seen so far, both from the press announcement and from the
> video, it is not a proposal. it is a decision.
[...
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:21:09AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Frans Pop wrote:
>> Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion
>> on d-project, d-devel or d-vote. Some explanation of how and by who
>> this decision was reached would be appreciated.
> The Release Team pr
Sandro Tosi wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 06:45, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> I'm considering how we can get this decision undone. Anyone up for
>> helping with that?
>
> count me in.
me too. Obviously we need to force the release team to talk with the important
teams in Debian. If i'd have to come
On Wed, 29 Jul 09 11:40, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sune Vuorela wrote:
> I guess you are talking about freezing this December and not in general?
>
> Lets discuss the issues regarding KDE and see if we can come to a solution.
Good. So let me propose something.
> Are you confident that KDE will be bette
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please reconsider this and move the freeze a year later. A freeze this
> december *does* block about aall interesting things that we would want
> to happen in squeeze. Squeeze wouldnt be more than a lenny+0.8 release
> then. And thats really nothing *I* would love to attach m
Luk Claes wrote:
> The project is free to accept or
> refuse the plan. Of course refusing the plan will have its consequences
> within the Release Team as well as within the project.
and by announcing this "plan" that *bold* to the whole world, you also
made perfectly sure that it is as unconvenie
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> Why doing a 12 months release "to get into the new schedule" instead of
>>> just adopting a 24 months schedule based on the lenny release? [1]
>> The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the momentum
On 2009-07-29, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> I'm considering how we can get this decision undone. Anyone up for
>> helping with that?
>
> I object, but feel free to if you really must.
> As I already said the Release Team *does* have the power to take such
> decisions. If you go on with a GR you effect
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:22:48PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
>> project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
>
> No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is free to accept or
> refuse the pla
>> Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on=20
> I'm disappointed by the decision, the timing and the process.
> I'm especially dissapointed about the "we freeze after less than a year
> of open unstable".
I agree. For myself it would mean i can stop nearly any pr
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Luk Claes wrote:
> Frans Pop wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
>>>
>>> The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
>>> development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
>>
>> Disappointing to see such an
Marc Haber wrote:
> I do sincerely hope that there will be a GR to overrule this decision.
Hoping doesn't make it happen. I'm upset by the horribly botched
process, but I'm not willing to reverse this decision for that alone.
I doubt I'm unusual in that, so anyone looking for a GR proposer
proba
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40, Luk Claes wrote:
>> Why doing a 12 months release "to get into the new schedule" instead of
>> just adopting a 24 months schedule based on the lenny release? [1]
>
> The main reason is that the Release Team hopes to now have the momentum to
> make a time based freeze
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No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
No, the Release Team proposed a plan. The project is fr
On 2009-07-29, Luk Claes wrote:
> Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
> Release Team?
What I have seen so far, both from the press announcement and from the
video, it is not a proposal. it is a decision.
>
> To be clear the Release Team cannot just decide wha
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:59:46AM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> of course, if we have to take formal steps for everything, we'll do a
> GR. I hoped that in this project we can discuss ideas instead of
> fight.
I think the way this decision was announced showed clearly that is was
not intended to ha
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25:01AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
> Steffen Moeller schrieb:
> > Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for
> > the
> > announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
>
> The text was coordinated within t
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30 +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not
> the Release Team?
>
Nobody proposed anything, you announced a decision to debian-announce.
Without, as far as I can tell, any prior discussion with the developers
(as h
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:40:30AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Who would you like to propose a release cycle to the project if not the
> Release Team?
>
> To be clear the Release Team cannot just decide what the release cycle
> will be, though we proposed a plan in the team's keynote at DebConf a
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> bullshit! we are trading quality for what?
Please don't be so aggressive and leave some time to RM to respond to your
comments before posting more mails
> Or there's something else behind the curtains that it's not being said
> (consciously), like ubu
Marc Haber writes:
> I find it deeply disturbing that DDs not attending Debconf learn about
> this decision via debian-announce. I would have expected at the very
> least to announce, if not discuss, on a developer list before.
Ditto. Conferences are a great way to get a bunch of people together
Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
> On 2009-07-29, Frans Pop wrote:
Good morning
[snip]
> The timing:
>
> If we are going to do a yearly release, we need to announce it to the
> developers more than 5 months before freeze. Too many people have too
> many plans.
> We also need to
Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2009-07-29, Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior di
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:59:46AM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> >> 1. what about the developers that couldn't come to DC? don't we
> >> deserve to be asked for our opinion? are we of a lower class? is this
> >> a decision only made by a team and then you want to us to pretend the
> >> whole project
On Wed Jul 29 09:59, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> of course, if we have to take formal steps for everything, we'll do a
> >> > predictability of time based releases with its well established policy of
> >> > feature based releases. The new freeze policy will provide better
> >> > predictability of releases
Hi!
Steffen Moeller schrieb:
> Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for the
> announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community.
The text was coordinated within the entire press team, our release
masters, the head of the technical commitee and th
Frans Pop wrote:
On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote:
The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
d-project, d-devel or d-v
Hi!
Ben Pfaff schrieb:
> The URL in the announcement is 404. Possibly a prank.
Sorry, no prank just a delay since we missed the website rebuild and
where to lazy to wait four hours for the announcement to be send out
after the next website build.
Best regards,
Alexander
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Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
>>> The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
>>> development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
>> Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
>> d-project, d-
Hi,
On Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> > The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
> > development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
> Disappointing to see such an announcement without any prior discussion on
> d-project, d-devel or d-vote.
I
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:14, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * Sandro Tosi [2009-07-29 07:39]:
>
>> > Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
>>
>> No, the project DID NOT decide it, the release team did, and the
>> project has to accept it; there's a lot of difference.
>
> No see 4.1.3 of t
Hi,
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:08:02AM +0200, Meike Reichle wrote:
> The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based
> development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle.
I find it deeply disturbing that DDs not attending Debconf learn about
this decision via debian-a
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:36, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Sandro Tosi writes:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:59, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>>> No, we freeze on time, we release when ready. Big difference.
>>
>> and this means a shorter freeze period (as stated in the original
>> announce) be
Martin Wuertele writes:
> * Fred [2009-07-29 06:12]:
>
>> I'd love to see Debian comply to real GNU/FSF freedom. When I visit the
>> website it boasts about how it is free.
>>
>> However, it is far from free while it is offering proprietary software as
>> well as having binary blobs in the kern
Sandro Tosi writes:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:59, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> No, we freeze on time, we release when ready. Big difference.
>
> and this means a shorter freeze period (as stated in the original
> announce) because?
>From what I understand because the long freeze period we h
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