Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:18:12PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 07:56:36AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > This is a two-way street though. Aurelien was trying to solve a problem > > he perceived to exist with the arm port. His solution has been rejected, > > but is the or

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 07:56:36AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > This is a two-way street though. Aurelien was trying to solve a problem > he perceived to exist with the arm port. His solution has been rejected, > but is the original problem being addressed? ] I am really upset by the way the ARM

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread MJ Ray
Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:58:46AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > > What says SPI only listens to the DPL, not the project? AIUI, the DPL > > is appointed as an adviser to SPI's board, not a veto. > > Further down the resolution, which you snipped: > snip -

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:35:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:15:51AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > > > Considering any DD has the ability to introduce any kind of malware > > > and/or kill (almost) any debian.org server, yes, a little bit of trust > > > would

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Clint Adams
> The greater question is, if the archive masters request > developers not to submit packages built on emulated hardware, should > that request not be heeded? No, why would that be within the bailiwick of the ftp-team? If you're going to claim that they have ultimate authority over all

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:20:12 -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The discussion is either it is as reliable to use emulator (QEMU in > particular) as the real box. You brought an example where build > process under emulator failed. I mentioned that it might be not > emulator fa

Re: New General resolution proposed

2007-02-12 Thread Don Armstrong
[Please respond back to -vote where this belongs, not here.] On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Joe Buck wrote: > Right now, those who run auto-builders are trusted, but the GR > proposes to trust all developers. Right? It doesn't really change anything because nothing stops you as a developer from uploading b

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:58:46AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Julien BLACHE wrote: > > > Could be at the request of the Project, via a GR I think, if the DPL > > > was, say, unwilling to act and fix a broken situation wrt > > > infrastructure administration

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > On Monday 12 February 2007 09:08, Stephen Gran wrote: > > [...] reproducibility will suffer. The fact that it failed to run the > > binary correctly in this failure instance is good. But another day, it > > may fail to correctly run gcc, and that would be bad if it exi

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Monday 12 February 2007 09:08, Stephen Gran wrote: > [...] reproducibility will suffer. The fact that it failed to run the > binary correctly in this failure instance is good. But another day, it > may fail to correctly run gcc, and that would be bad if it exited 0 with > a wrongly built binar

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Yaroslav Halchenko said: > > It was a mail to -devel, and I mispoke, it was aranym, not qemu, > ;-) ok - getting closer to the true story here, but unfortunately I > could not locate any 'failed build' email in the -devel from him within > any reasonable timeframe where

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
> It was a mail to -devel, and I mispoke, it was aranym, not qemu, ;-) ok - getting closer to the true story here, but unfortunately I could not locate any 'failed build' email in the -devel from him within any reasonable timeframe where he would mentioned failed build. But I've found http://lists.

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread MJ Ray
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julien BLACHE wrote: > > Could be at the request of the Project, via a GR I think, if the DPL > > was, say, unwilling to act and fix a broken situation wrt > > infrastructure administration and developer access to the said > > infrastructure. > > Unlikel

DPL: maybe

2007-02-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, if you follow -project, you know that I have the project to present myself for the DPL election this year provided that I can setup a good DPL board. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/02/msg00061.html I have privately contacted some people that I would like to see on such a b

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 12 février 2007 à 19:35 +1000, Anthony Towns a écrit : > > There are different levels of trusting. One can think that no DD > > would introduce malware in the archive and anyway could think also that > > some > > developers are not good for certain tasks because of attitude/lack of > >

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Yaroslav Halchenko said: > On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Stephen Gran wrote: > > ballombe has already found differences between an emulated environment > > and a real cpu, where the test suite failed on qemu and passed on a real > > cpu. I have no confidence that it can't fail

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:15:51AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > > Considering any DD has the ability to introduce any kind of malware > > and/or kill (almost) any debian.org server, yes, a little bit of trust > > would be a minimum. > There are different levels of trusting. One can think

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-12 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:38:42PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:59:41PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The context doesn't make the above quote any more pleasant. > > > > Well, in an ideal world ever