Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-26 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-19 16:39, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: Dear candidates, do you think that libechonest [3] should be called free software? As it requires software outside of the distribution to function, do you think it should be moved to contrib? What about s3cmd [4] then? I don't think that having the

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-25 Thread Gergely Nagy
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:27:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: You can use flashplugin-nonfree to download a piece of software that has a nonfree license, which is then installed on your system; the result is that you now have a system which has some

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/21/2013 11:52 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: I think the outcome of moving a package that falls in the requires external stuff from main to contrib would rarely qualify as silly. Take for example the twitter perl packages. The API is changing (of course that is something outside of

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-21 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/21/2013 02:02 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 03/21/2013 11:52 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: I think the outcome of moving a package that falls in the requires external stuff from main to contrib would rarely qualify as silly. Take for example the twitter perl packages. The API is changing

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 02:07:40AM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the Desert Island test [2] which

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: 1. Some software Debian distribute are actually only useful when connected to the Internet to access services for which the source code is unavailable. 2. The Debian policy states (emphasis is mine): # 2.2.2 The

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 20 mar 13, 06:47:32, Bart Martens wrote: Good question. See also for example bug 681659. I don't know why pidgin-facebookchat would belong in section main while flashplugin-nonfree would belong section contrib. Both packages contain software that can freely be redistributed but

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are frequently used to manipulate the data in those platforms including pull data *out* of those platforms. It would be quite ironic if we refused to include in the

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Bart, On 20-03-13 07:47, Bart Martens wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: Dear candidates, do you think that libechonest [3] should be called free software? As it requires software outside of the distribution to function, do you think it should be moved to

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
Steve Langasek: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the Desert Island test [2] which starts by: Imagine a castaway on a desert island with a solar-powered computer.

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are frequently used to manipulate the data in those platforms including pull data *out* of those platforms. It would be quite

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:27:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: You can use flashplugin-nonfree to download a piece of software that has a nonfree license, which is then installed on your system; the result is that you now have a system which has some non-DFSG-free software installed. To be

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 07:35:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are frequently used to manipulate the data in those platforms

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 09:27:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: You can use pidgin-facebookchat to talk to a non-free service; but whatever you do, the result will *never* be that you end up with a system which has some non-DFSG-free software installed.

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Jérémy Bobbio lu...@debian.org writes: I'll need to come up with other tools to think about the danger about freedom I perceive from the “cloud”… For the record, I think most of us are on the same page about the danger. I certainly agree with your concern; I'm just not sure that the

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 07:35:19AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are frequently used to

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 05:09:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: note that free software interfaces to proprietary cloud platforms are frequently used to manipulate the data in those

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, I propose that either the discussion is reshaped to be more interactive with the candidates, or it is moved to another channel where a broader participation is expected. Cheers, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the Desert Island test [2] which starts by: Imagine a castaway on a desert island with a solar-powered computer. Obviously, software that are