On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Malte Timmermann
wrote:
> This approach would mean that you mostly don't use Qt at all.
>
> VCL uses SAL to get a top level window from the os, and then renders all
> widgets on it's own. Using Qt simply as yet an other SAL implementation
> would mean that you stil
This approach would mean that you mostly don't use Qt at all.
VCL uses SAL to get a top level window from the os, and then renders all
widgets on it's own. Using Qt simply as yet an other SAL implementation
would mean that you still only get the top level window (via Qt then),
but widget rende
> >> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
> >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
> >>
> >> [ ... ]
> >>
> >> Indeed, t
sday, January 20, 2015 07:05
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt license, which for us
>> would be LGPL, is not an obstacle? (I know you described a
> On 26 Jan 2015, at 03:42, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts
> wrote:
>
>> * One conceivable drawback is that Kivy also uses "Kivy Language, for
>> creating sophisticated user interfaces[,]" though it does not seem to be
>> required for creating na
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts
wrote:
> * One conceivable drawback is that Kivy also uses "Kivy Language, for
> creating sophisticated user interfaces[,]" though it does not seem to be
> required for creating naive UIs. Kivy is in Python and their conference
> presentations s
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> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:54
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
>
> [ ... ]
>
>
> I'm just using this to stay on the thr
20, 2015 11:54
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
[ ... ]
I'm just using this to stay on the thread.
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On 01/20/2015 11:28 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.
>
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> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt
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From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 09:54
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> [ ... ]
> Indeed, thanks. But let me get this st
> On 20 Jan 2015, at 14:28, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.
>
> -- replying below to --
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Sub
Louis asks about a dependency on LGPL.
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From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 07:05
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
[ ... ]
Indeed, thanks. But let me get this straight. The Qt
Hi,
> On 20 Jan 2015, at 12:53, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Yuri,
>>
>>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT
well enough for what AOO does?
On 01/20/2015 07:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Yuri,
>
>> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT
>>> well enough for what AOO does?
>>
>> no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppos
Yuri,
> On 20 Jan 2015, at 09:55, Yuri Dario wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT well
>> enough for what AOO does?
>
> no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it does
> everything AOO needs.
>
>> So my question may be u
Hi,
> Have you looked at this enough to be satisfied the VCL maps to QT well enough
> for what AOO does?
no, but since QT is a complete SDK for writing apps, I suppose it does
everything AOO needs.
> So my question may be useless, and certainly based on ignorance: Is there any
> sort of lifecy
On 01/18/2015 01:46 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Yuri Dario wrote:
This will have the positive side effect of removing all platform code
from VCL since OS/2, Windows, *unix have QT ports.
This will add one more layer inside operations, since QT will map to
und
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Yuri Dario wrote:
> This will have the positive side effect of removing all platform code
> from VCL since OS/2, Windows, *unix have QT ports.
>
> This will add one more layer inside operations, since QT will map to
> underlyng native API, but I don't think this
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Yuri Dario wrote:
> having written or updated most of the OS/2 code in VCL project, I have
> some experience with it.
>
> I'm not enterint the debate QT-yes/QT-no, I will only offer a
> developer point of view.
>
> We can simply use QT like an existing operanting
Yuri Dario [mailto:mc6...@mclink.it]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 07:43
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
Hi,
having written or updated most of the OS/2 code in VCL project, I have
some experience with it.
I'm not enterint the debate QT-ye
Hi,
having written or updated most of the OS/2 code in VCL project, I have
some experience with it.
I'm not enterint the debate QT-yes/QT-no, I will only offer a
developer point of view.
We can simply use QT like an existing operanting system API, like OS/2
PM or windows GDI/windowing. As we cr
ilton
Subject: Re: [OT] RE: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that
> "(almost) everyone" is inaccurate
IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an
I think these proposals are interesting as food for thought ...
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From: Fernando Cassia [mailto:fcas...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 09:00
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> The sales success of Microsoft Office and Office 365 suggest that
> "(almost) everyone" is inaccurate
IMHO for me this is not (and has never been) an valid argument. People "Buy
MS Office" because:
1. they have tons of documents writ
ffice.apache.org; Dennis Hamilton
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I resonate with these remarks (two extracts below). I particularly want
> to acknowledge all of the work that Kay Schenk and several
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
> important concern. (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
> derivative.)
>
There's two possible approaches that I could see, long-term.
#1
Separating the VCL GUI F
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I resonate with these remarks (two extracts below). I particularly want
> to acknowledge all of the work that Kay Schenk and several others have put
> into making AOO more approachable by new developers.
Ideed, "Innovation" for chang
In 2007 Nokia people were interested in taking this, they were pushing
mobile technology and having an office suite in Qt with the brand awareness
of OpenOffice.Org was a competitive advantage for their platform. I always
offer an open venue to get their sentiment relayed to some core sun
develope
14, 2015 10:17
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
[ ... ]
Ongoing maintenance and new developer knowledge are more a factor to me
than "bells and whistles", really.
[ ... ]
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From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:21:24 -0500
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
> > On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:46, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:27:53 -0800
> > "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote:
> >
> >> Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
> >> important concern. (Th
> On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:46, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:27:53 -0800
> "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote:
>
>> Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
>> important concern. (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
>> derivative.)
>>
>> The problem with
On 01/14/2015 09:46 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:27:53 -0800 "Dennis E. Hamilton"
> wrote:
>
>> Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
>> important concern. (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
>> derivative.)
>>
>> The problem with much o
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 09:27:53 -0800
"Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote:
> Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
> important concern. (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
> derivative.)
>
> The problem with much of the complexity of AOO, it seems to me,
> is that it is dif
> On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:27, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> The TL;DR: I don't think there is a reasonable way to depend on Qt in AOO.
>
> I also don't think that depending on Qt, were it feasible, would satisfy the
> concern that started this thread concerning the difficulty of maintaining
> [
Maintaining the independently-developed VCL GUI framework is an
important concern. (Then there's UNO as a cross-platform COM
derivative.)
The problem with much of the complexity of AOO, it seems to me,
is that it is difficult to find improvements that can be
achieved with progressions of small
cult third-party
dependency, after requiring a mammoth cut-over to a new GUI framework.
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From: Louis Suárez-Potts [mailto:lui...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 20:59
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Qt as a replacement for VCL
> On 13 Jan 2
Hi;
Replacing VCL with Qt (or GTK or enlightenment or anything) is a very
complex project.
There is a KDE CWS which may be somewhat of a starting point but it
dowsn't really
touch the surface of what you want to do.
This said, it is the type of revolutionary projects I would certainly
enco
> On 13 Jan 2015, at 23:04, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> I think the licensing situation is very clear.
>
> There are two licensing arrangements.
>
> The free license is standard GPL3/LGPL3.
>
> There is a commercial license for proprietary, closed source work. That
> license has to be p
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:57 PM, jan i wrote:
>
> I have been working with Qt for many years and have in one project made a
> converter from something similar to our UI descriptions to a Qt
> environment.
I have only experience as an end user of poweted QT apps to the windows
platform, and I ca
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> oweted
I intended to write "ported"
FC
I think the licensing situation is very clear.
There are two licensing arrangements.
The free license is standard GPL3/LGPL3.
There is a commercial license for proprietary, closed source work. That
license has to be purchased and there are flavors of it, such as Indie Mobile,
Professional,
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Something I started thinking about and ta da...it's been proposed before --
>
> http://markmail.org/message/gjvwudqnzejlzynz
>
> In my mind, we could use some assistance in the maintenance of the
> toolkit for our UI instead of continuing to do
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