Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On 11.08.11 09:25, Eli Barzilay wrote: If so, then the next step is to change the layout to: Download: __Macintosh OS X (Intel i386)__ (this is the version of DrRacket for your system. In rare cases, you might need a version for a __different system__) This will damage many more p

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Eli has asked us to wait. Please do so. He will reply in more detail when he gets to a proper computer. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Guillaume Marceau wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Guillaume Marceau > wrote: >> Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface de

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Guillaume Marceau wrote: > Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface designers has > already done the experiment. They have some of the best people of the > industry working for them, including Aza Raskin, son of Jef Raskin, one of > the original

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Or we can trust that the Mozilla Foundation's user interface designers has already done the experiment. They have some of the best people of the industry working for them, including Aza Raskin, son of Jef Raskin, one of the original designer of the Macintosh. I see no reason to deviate from their d

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

It's best to avoid working on anything concrete until I can write a proper reply since there are more issues here. (Note: this is not an objection to an improvement, but an attempt to avoid the kind of damage I mnetioned earlier. On 2011-08-11, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > Guillaum, why don't y

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

We also have an extensive audience on the users list and in our individual departments. So it would be easy to circulate a draft Web page (no fancy download or even formatting) that simply says, "I'm guessing you are using a ... -- is this correct?" and get lots of people to test (and get more det

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

I'd be happy to comment on drafts too, if that's useful. Robby On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > Guillaum, why don't you work out a concrete plan, especially the wording of > the messages to the downloader, and submit it to ELi for review. He will > implement a ver

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Guillaum, why don't you work out a concrete plan, especially the wording of the messages to the downloader, and submit it to ELi for review. He will implement a version of it. Thanks -- Matthias _ For list-related administrative tasks: http:/

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Yes, my sentiments exactly. Robby On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > I am happy to see that we are looking for solutions to a problem. > > I think we should use everything we can to make the best possible guess. Then > we should use English language to inform people

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

I am happy to see that we are looking for solutions to a problem. I think we should use everything we can to make the best possible guess. Then we should use English language to inform people that we made a best possible guess and that there are alternatives. But this language must be extremel

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

I think that maybe, given this particular choice, it makes more sense to say, on the web page, "We believe you are on a mac; the 32bit version is the one you want, unless you're sure you want the 64bit version, which is here. other versions there" which a touch of good design and better wording, I

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robby Findler wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Guillaume Marceau > wrote: > > In the ambiguous cases, you can get additional information by checking for > > flash. Because Adobe doesn't support flash player on x64 browsers, if > > detection is success

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Guillaume Marceau wrote: > In the ambiguous cases, you can get additional information by checking for > flash. Because Adobe doesn't support flash player on x64 browsers, if > detection is successful then it is definitely a 32 bit browser, if not, then > the reque

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote: > On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Guillaume Marceau wrote: >> Does the combo box auto detect the >> downloader's platform for the User-Agent header. > > Yes, in some cases when it's possible to make a guess. > I found this Stackoverflow article:

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

look at the firefox download page for an example: There is a nice huge pretty button that is the download for your current platform. Below the big button there is a small link that says "All Systems & Languages " which links to the matrix of all po

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

His answer was inappropriate. Our goal must be to understand problems posed, check relevance, figure out a solution. There is no other default mode. On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Jay McCarthy wrote: > Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new > OS X defaults. > >

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Robby Findler > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Robby Findler >>> wrote: >>> > How problematic would it be if the DrR

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Robby Findler wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Robby Findler >> wrote: >> How problematic would it be if the DrRacket interactions window didn't make the namespace it uses for ev

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Robby Findler > wrote: > >>> How problematic would it be if the DrRacket interactions window didn't >>> make the namespace it uses for evaluation available to the expressions >>> being evaluated? >> >>

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Robby Findler wrote: >> How problematic would it be if the DrRacket interactions window didn't >> make the namespace it uses for evaluation available to the expressions >> being evaluated? > > How would that work? Could drracket compile the expression in the > nam

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > [switch to dev] > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > >> DrRacket's interactions window has to use `eval' in the sense that it >> reads an expression to evaluate and then passes it on to the program >> for an ans

Re: [racket-dev] [racket] pretty-big->#lang (was: External connection toFinndesign Liitin)

[switch to dev] On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > DrRacket's interactions window has to use `eval' in the sense that it > reads an expression to evaluate and then passes it on to the program > for an answer. When you run a module in DrRacket, the interactions > window trea

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

I'm not completely clear on exactly how things are working with Lion, but it seems unlikely that 64 bit is a good default at this stage. Robby On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jay McCarthy wrote: > Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new > OS X defaults. > > Jay >

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Maybe Eli is saying that 64bit is really the better default, given new OS X defaults. Jay On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Robby Findler wrote: > Why would it damage more people? > > I think it makes sense to put on the first page some kind of an > indication that "this is what we guess your mac

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

Why would it damage more people? I think it makes sense to put on the first page some kind of an indication that "this is what we guess your machine is; if you don't know, try this one first". Perhaps not Guillaume's exact words, but something that would help this person. Robby On Thu, Aug 11, 2

Re: [racket-dev] strange/wrong placement and sizing in racket/gui

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/11 09:50, Marijn wrote: > On 06/20/11 18:29, Matthew Flatt wrote: >> I think I've found the problem and pushed a fix. > > Thanks for the quick fix Matthew! 1) 2) and 3) are now working fine > :) but I do believe borders are still broken. For

Re: [racket-dev] Downloading DrRacket for Mac is hard?

On Aug 10, 2011, at 11:33 PM, Guillaume Marceau wrote: > Does the combo box auto detect the > downloader's platform for the User-Agent header. Yes, in some cases when it's possible to make a guess. > If so, then the next > step is to change the layout to: > > Download: __Macintosh OS X (