[Test-Announce] 2013-06-24 @ 16:00 UTC - F19 Final Blocker Bug Review #8

2013-06-23 Thread Adam Williamson
# F19 Final Blocker Review meeting #8 # Date: 2013-06-24 # Time: 16:00 UTC (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Time for one last (hopefully!) F19 Final push - we have just a couple of proposed blockers to look at right now, and three accepted blockers to r

[Test-Announce] CANCELLED: 2013-06-24 Fedora QA Meeting (blocker meeting still on)

2013-06-23 Thread Adam Williamson
One more time, let's cancel the weekly meeting - I'm not aware of anything in particular that needs discussing, please reply to this mail if I'm missing anything. Hopefully we'll get back to meetings next week with an F19 post-mortem! Once again we'll just go straight to F19 blocker review at 16:00

Review request:

2013-06-23 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
Dudes, I need help from a PHP packager if possible! ;) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977208 -- It's hard to be free... but I love to struggle. Love isn't asked for; it's just given. Respect isn't asked for; it's earned! Renich Bon Ciric http://www.woralelandia.com/ http://www.intro

Re: rawhide report: 20130623 changes

2013-06-23 Thread Jens Petersen
> [ghc-Agda] I opened a ticket asking releng to block this newly retired package. > [hedgewars] Bruno rebuilt this yesterday - thanks! Jens -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-23 Thread Glen Turner
On 22/06/2013, at 7:23 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > (2) Write a shell script that contains the ifconfig/route add (or ip ...) > commands they need and have it run at boot. Most simple static > network configs are 2 or 3 commands at most. If you have a server in the tradition of UNIX workst

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-23 Thread Glen Turner
On 21/06/2013, at 10:31 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Current network information is available from the kernel and doesn't > require "guessing". Why would you code something to talk to some random > daemon API (that may change) when you could talk directly to the source > via the kernel netlink API

Re: Minimal install diff from F16 to F19 (TC6)

2013-06-23 Thread Glen Turner
On 21/06/2013, at 4:28 AM, Dan Williams wrote: > > It's supported that for 4 or 5 years. You don't need aliases at all, Consider an anycast service where the alias interface reflects the availability of the service on the server. An OSPF or BGP daemon then advertises the address of the alias

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:25:50PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >On my F19 desktop, I have 530MB under /usr/share/locale; this compresses > >down to 94MB with xz -- 67MB with xz -9. And we're xz-ing the livecd and RPM > >payloads, right? > The live images get compressed at the end, so looking at

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 18:04:55 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: rpm db 82M I vaguely remember a discussion about dropping this for live images because it gets rebuilt every boot when needed. My memory is that we ended up removing this data while building live images, but haven't lo

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 20:17:23 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: On my F19 desktop, I have 530MB under /usr/share/locale; this compresses down to 94MB with xz -- 67MB with xz -9. And we're xz-ing the livecd and RPM payloads, right? The live images get compressed at the end, so looking at the p

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 06:04:55PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > come F20. Here are some sizes as found on the current desktop spin: These are on-disk sizes, right, not RPM size? > translations 402M On my F19 desktop, I have 530MB under /usr/share/locale; this compresses down to 94MB with xz

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 06:04:55PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > - Both festival and flite are getting pulled in by speech-dispatcher. > Possible savings: 9M. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799140 The festival package needs to be update to the latest version, a possible F20 feature.

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 22:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > So here's some results. > > f2e707287dd82cccb05a3fef6b75cb356744ca58 (Jun 14), no update: 1019215872 > f2e707287dd82cccb05a3fef6b75cb356744ca58 (Jun 14), update: 1017118720 > 1a0c28fdf638796bda60ed2785f95eac16a85b65 (Jun 22), update: 100

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 04:01:20PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:20:20PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > 1) no one really uses the desktop image as a basis for cloud > Some classes at a large university where I used to work do. > Also see http://adam.younglogic.com/2012/09/vm

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:20:20PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > 1) no one really uses the desktop image as a basis for cloud Some classes at a large university where I used to work do. Also see http://adam.younglogic.com/2012/09/vm-from-live-cd/ -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 19:22 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 09:44 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > >> 2) We don't have to set a limit at all. Just include the stuff we want > >> to include (and try to optimize that to be as small

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 09:44 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> 2) We don't have to set a limit at all. Just include the stuff we want >> to include (and try to optimize that to be as small as possible). > > Let's be realistic: 'trying to optimize t

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:24:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > Just because someone decided "there has to be a size limit and if we >> > don't meet that target we block the release" does >> > not mean that this is the right thing to d

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 07:24:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Just because someone decided "there has to be a size limit and if we > > don't meet that target we block the release" does > > not mean that this is the right thing to do (note: it isn't). A limit > > only makes sense if you targe

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 09:44 +0200, drago01 wrote: > 2) We don't have to set a limit at all. Just include the stuff we want > to include (and try to optimize that to be as small as possible). Let's be realistic: 'trying to optimize that to be as small as possible' only happens when we have a limit

F-19 Branched report: 20130623 changes

2013-06-23 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Jun 23 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [avgtime] avgtime-0-0.5.git20120724.fc19.x86_64 requires libphobos-ldc.so.60()(64bit) [derelict] derelict-ogg-3-13.20130516gitd8aa11d.fc19.i686 require

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 18:51 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 11:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> > I've filed an update with some 20 packages, only removing excess baggage >> > from /usr/share/doc (duplicate docs,

Re: Fedora 19 Final blocker status: fix and karma requests

2013-06-23 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 11:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> I've filed an update with some 20 packages, only removing excess baggage >> from /usr/share/doc (duplicate docs, large ChangeLog files, etc). It >> touches nothing outside /usr/