Heads up: Lucene 5.1 to land in Rawhide

2015-05-28 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
Hi everyone, I will push Lucene 5.1.0 to rawhide next week. Followed immediately by Eclipse rebuild to make it work with it. This is early enough in the F23 cycle to give time for people to port to 5.x. If someone is not able to migrate to Lucene 5 - he/she would have to submit a Lucene 4.x comp

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.05.2015 um 01:11 schrieb Stephen John Smoogen: On 28 May 2015 at 16:42, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 15:05 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: With timed: you don't get the newest thing, but switching to the new stuff is more on your schedule. You can ignore the new release for

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > ...we can stop branding our releases with a > version number...we still have the six-month cycle, but > this is hidden to users...this is the model Windows is moving to... > As Josh alluded, I'm not exactly clear on the value of keepin

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 May 2015 at 16:42, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 15:05 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> With timed: you don't get the newest thing, but switching to the new >> stuff is more on your schedule. You can ignore the new release for a >> while and still get bugfixes/security updates

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 15:05 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > With timed: you don't get the newest thing, but switching to the new > stuff is more on your schedule. You can ignore the new release for a > while and still get bugfixes/security updates until you are ready to > do > the upgrade. I should a

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 May 2015 17:32:24 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 03:05:03PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > In some kind of ideal world it would be great if rawhide was the > > rolling release and people who liked that model could use it day to > > day. (Which is really already th

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 03:05:03PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > In some kind of ideal world it would be great if rawhide was the > rolling release and people who liked that model could use it day to > day. (Which is really already the case, but things do break so you need > to be good at troubleshoo

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 May 2015 14:58:03 -0500 Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:39 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first > > reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of > > course, but could result in a majo

Re: Secure boot and packaging third-party kernel modules

2015-05-28 Thread David Smith
On 05/28/2015 10:26 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: ... stuff deleted ... > Any thoughts or comments to this approach? Anyone got a better idea? Your process looks reasonable. > Yes, I do know it is not good to have the keying material for the > signing too easily available. So I'm also keen to h

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 04:08:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > about how to provided some kind of API/ABI at the platform level that > developers can depend on. Your goal is nice, but we are nowhere near > the point of actually doing what you just said. Also, the release cycle is a reliable engine

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.05.2015 um 22:12 schrieb Josh Boyer: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: when i hear "offline update" i have enough at all frankly what people really need is relieable and fast *online updates* and not taking the esay road "well go offline" and that works pretty well o

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 28.05.2015 um 21:58 schrieb Michael Catanzaro: >> >> On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:39 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >>> >>> Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first >>> reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 03:58 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: I think we're already at the point where -- at least for Fedora Workstation (not sure about Server/Cloud), and except for infrastructure issues -- we can stop branding our releases with a version number, and simply have a particularly big offline u

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:39 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first >> reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of course, >> but could result in a major offli

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.05.2015 um 21:58 schrieb Michael Catanzaro: On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:39 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of course, but could result in a major offline upgrade, inst

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:39 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first > reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of course, > but could result in a major offline upgrade, instead of an entire > new distribution. I thin

Fwd: clang++ compiler flags

2015-05-28 Thread Antonio Trande
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 - Forwarded Message Subject: clang++ compiler flags Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 21:05:55 +0200 From: Antonio Trande To: a...@lists.fedoraproject.org Hi all, 'clang++' compiler is unable to use ARM %optflags used on Fedora packaging

Re: Review swaps

2015-05-28 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:04 AM, gil wrote: > hi > taken > can you review this > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1215080 > thanks in advance > gil Taken, and thank you. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

Re: Review swaps

2015-05-28 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:32 AM, gil wrote: > Il 27/05/2015 17:28, Jerry James ha scritto: >> >> I'm working toward supporting GAP's HAP package, which is used by >> sagemath. I need reviews for some of the foundational packages (more >> will be coming). There are some interdependencies, noted b

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 02:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 28.05.2015 um 20:39 schrieb Przemek Klosowski: Do you think the tech could stabilize enough to obviate the first reason? The 6-month workflow cadence remains a good idea, of course, but could result in a major offline upgrade, instead of an ent

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Jeremy Newton
>>* Do you think that the average user with a clicking sound card or disk *>>* corruption when suspending would be able to make the link to this new *>>* package?* > Even better ... the integrated mouse pointer on my external ThinkPad USB > keyboard stops working if USB suspend is enabled for this

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.05.2015 um 20:39 schrieb Przemek Klosowski: On 05/28/2015 11:42 AM, Will Woods wrote: Here's how it should work: 1) Download packages for the new system 2) Use the systemd Offline Updates[2] facility to install packages This is really simple - simple enough that it should probably be

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/28/2015 11:42 AM, Will Woods wrote: Here's how it should work: 1) Download packages for the new system 2) Use the systemd Offline Updates[2] facility to install packages This is really simple - simple enough that it should probably be provided by the system packaging tools themselves. A

Minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-05-28)

2015-05-28 Thread Honza Horak
== #fedora-meeting-2: Env and Stacks (2015-05-28) == Meeting started by hhorak at 17:00:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2015-05-28/env-and-stacks.2015-

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Christian Schaller
Sounds great, I know Allan and Richard has some mockups for how they want to do upgrades in GNOME Software, so hopefully this will make it even easier to implement. Christian - Original Message - From: "Will Woods" To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:42:56 A

fedup for F23 and beyond

2015-05-28 Thread Will Woods
[tl;dr: fedup is going away and should be re-implemented by the system packaging tools.] Hey all, F22 is the fifth release we've handled with fedup. A lot has changed since F17, and we've learned some valuable lessons about how upgrades work (and how they fail). We've come to the conclusion that

Re: Secure boot and packaging third-party kernel modules

2015-05-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, David Sommerseth wrote: > > Hi, > > I've started poking into packaging the mhvtl project for Fedora and > EPEL. This package also contains a kernel module, which normally works > fine - until you hit Secure Boot. > > So I was wondering how to handle this the best

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread David Sommerseth
On 28/05/15 12:57, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 28 May 2015 at 11:21, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: >> 1: My understanding is that tlp ships with a default configuration that, >> without any modification, will enable reasonable settings for power saving. > > I think what the kernel is providing is reason

Secure boot and packaging third-party kernel modules

2015-05-28 Thread David Sommerseth
Hi, I've started poking into packaging the mhvtl project for Fedora and EPEL. This package also contains a kernel module, which normally works fine - until you hit Secure Boot. So I was wondering how to handle this the best way. AFAIK, there are currently no plans to get the mhvtl.ko kernel mo

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 02:18:21PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Doesn't tuned already do something similar to this? These are the exact words I just typed in another message. :) -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapr

Re: Fedora 22 Dispplay with stripes

2015-05-28 Thread Sergio Belkin
2015-05-27 13:16 GMT-03:00 Ralf Corsepius : > On 05/27/2015 05:27 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: > > Video card: > > Slot: 00:02.0 > Class: VGA compatible controller > Vendor: Intel Corporation > Device: 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller > SVendor:Elitegroup Co

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Michael Catanzaro píše v Čt 28. 05. 2015 v 07:55 -0500: > On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:31 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > > Also, to see it without actually installing it, there's just a > > little > > bit > > outdated screencap: > > https://mbriza.fedorapeople.org/liveusb-6.ogv > > That looks quite g

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Dan Mossor
On 05/28/2015 07:36 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: It's not nonsense to be able to put Server Product on USB. I've installed Fedora Server on servers that way myself. Not so sure about Cloud images, though. Those generally get uploaded to somewhere else to be used. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Martin

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Lubomir Rintel
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:31 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2015 14:28:17 +0200, Martin Bříza > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > for quite a while, I've been working on implementation of a new, > > revamped UI, designed by Jakub Steiner for the LiveUSB Creator [0]. > > > > Cur

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 14:31 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: > Also, to see it without actually installing it, there's just a little > bit > outdated screencap: > https://mbriza.fedorapeople.org/liveusb-6.ogv That looks quite good! I have just one comment: the < Back, Write to USB disk, Cancel, and W

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Neal Gompa
It's not nonsense to be able to put Server Product on USB. I've installed Fedora Server on servers that way myself. Not so sure about Cloud images, though. Those generally get uploaded to somewhere else to be used. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Martin Bříza wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2015 14:28:

Re: RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Bříza
On Thu, 28 May 2015 14:28:17 +0200, Martin Bříza wrote: Hi everyone, for quite a while, I've been working on implementation of a new, revamped UI, designed by Jakub Steiner for the LiveUSB Creator [0]. Currently, me and Luke are slowly moving to merge the changes back into the master bra

RFC: LiveUSB Creator Revamped

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Bříza
Hi everyone, for quite a while, I've been working on implementation of a new, revamped UI, designed by Jakub Steiner for the LiveUSB Creator [0]. Currently, me and Luke are slowly moving to merge the changes back into the master branch of the tree. Some stuff is not done, like descriptions

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Florian Weimer
On 05/28/2015 02:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Actually, it *does* sound like this package might provide a way to > mitigate that situation (single kernel). If tlp can accept a > configuration file for what tweaks to make, then we can use the per > -product config feature to allow us to set ce

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 11:57 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 28 May 2015 at 11:21, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > 1: My understanding is that tlp ships with a default configuration > > that, > > without any modification, will enable reasonable settings for power > > saving. > > I think what the ker

Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-05-28)

2015-05-28 Thread Honza Horak
WG meeting will be at 17:00 UTC (13:00 EST, 19:00 Brno, 13:00 Boston, 2:00+1d Tokyo, 3:00+1d Brisbane) in #fedora-meeting-2 on Freenode. = Topics = * Continue discussion about Fedora Rings -- how to gather feedback from users? who are our users? (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-

rawhide report: 20150528 changes

2015-05-28 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu May 28 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [OpenTK] OpenTK-1.1-1.4c.fc22.noarch requires mono(mscorlib) = 0:2.0.0.0 OpenTK-1.1-1.4c.fc22.noarch requires mono(System.Xml) = 0:2.0.0.0 OpenTK-1

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Hughes
On 28 May 2015 at 11:21, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > 1: My understanding is that tlp ships with a default configuration that, > without any modification, will enable reasonable settings for power saving. I think what the kernel is providing is reasonable, from a regression / feature point of view. I

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 28 May 2015 at 10:45, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > > I would like to suggest that tlp [0] be included with Fedora Workstation > by > > default, starting with Fedora 23. > > Why can't we just use the correct defaults? Having a "configure all

Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Hughes
On 28 May 2015 at 10:45, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: > I would like to suggest that tlp [0] be included with Fedora Workstation by > default, starting with Fedora 23. Why can't we just use the correct defaults? Having a "configure all the things" version of powertop isn't going to help anybody but the

Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

2015-05-28 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Hi, I would like to suggest that tlp [0] be included with Fedora Workstation by default, starting with Fedora 23. tlp is already a well-maintained Fedora package [1], is quite stable, and achieves dramatic battery life and laptop optimization gains without having to run a daemon or a background pr

Re: libvpx got soname bump and no one noticed?

2015-05-28 Thread Moez Roy
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 28.05.2015 o 09:27, drago01 pisze: >>> >>> >Problem was with VirtualBox... so for some time I will have to deal >>> > without >>> >winxp vm (used from time to time for tools which are not wine friendly). > > >> You could use Boxe

Re: libvpx got soname bump and no one noticed?

2015-05-28 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 28.05.2015 o 09:27, drago01 pisze: >Problem was with VirtualBox... so for some time I will have to deal without >winxp vm (used from time to time for tools which are not wine friendly). You could use Boxes / virt-manager ... ships in the Fedora repo and should be good enough for cases w

Re: libvpx got soname bump and no one noticed?

2015-05-28 Thread drago01
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 28.05.2015 o 07:28, Robin Lee pisze: > > Sorry guys, my fault. (insert local idiom about elephant in a store here). > Sorted out with help of spot and kalev. > >> You should update rpmfusion-free-relase. And run 'dnf downgrade >>

Re: libvpx got soname bump and no one noticed?

2015-05-28 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 28.05.2015 o 07:28, Robin Lee pisze: Sorry guys, my fault. (insert local idiom about elephant in a store here). Sorted out with help of spot and kalev. You should update rpmfusion-free-relase. And run 'dnf downgrade ffmpeg-libs'. There is no 'branched' repos in RPMFusion. And before f