SimCity project: git hosting application

2007-11-08 Thread John Gilmore
1. Project name : SimCity 2. Existing website, if any : none yet 3. One-line description : EA-licensed GPL city-construction game 4. Longer description : SimCity lets you design and build your own : city, in classic constructionist fashion.

Micropolis project: git hosting application

2007-11-08 Thread John Gilmore
1. Project name : Micropolis 2. Existing website, if any : none yet 3. One-line description : GPL city-construction game 4. Longer description : Micropolis lets you design and build your own : city, in classic constructionist fashion. It's

Re: update script

2007-11-08 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Bert Freudenberg wrote: >>> The default confuses e-mail clients because it looks like quoting. >>> >> +1 on diff -u.. > > Hehe. Actually I liked it that way - everything colored was new :) > > But as you wish ... next notification should come as unidiff. If you use thunderbird, you may like thi

Re: xf86eqEnqueue

2007-11-08 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
James Cameron wrote: > On build 625 and several others, boot to the Sugar GUI, then > Control/Alt/F1 to switch to text console, you will then see stderr from > startx activated by olpc-dm. I'd like to redirect the session output to a log file such as ~/.xsession-errors... > Among the interestin

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 12:00 -0500, Ivan Krstić wrote: > On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > > Heh. You are way too young > > It takes a long time to become young! On the upside, my work did not > give rise to xorg.conf ;) Nor did mine. I will take no blame for that abortion,

Re: i18n, olpc-configure and xorg.conf changes

2007-11-08 Thread Bernardo Innocenti
Kim Quirk wrote: > Is this all in the wiki? Seems like a ton of good data. If it is, can > you provide a link for me? Yes, I should have done it before. A slightly edited version of the contents of my original mail is here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Olpc-utils I also fixed a bunch of other p

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Albert Cahalan
On 11/8/07, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In some cases though it's better to break than to keep a fake > compatibility with something which is designed for a different use > case. That way the error is explicit and the activity author knows it > needs to be fixed. And I agree

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Nov 8, 2007 6:11 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 8, 2007, at 18:09 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > Though applications backwards compatibility just doesn't make sense in > > this context. We consciously broke it with the high level design, both > > of the user experien

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 18:11 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On Nov 8, 2007, at 18:09 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > Though applications backwards compatibility just doesn't make sense in > > this context. We consciously broke it with the high level design, both > > of the user experience and of

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 11/8/07, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 8, 2007, at 18:09 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > Though applications backwards compatibility just doesn't make sense in > > this context. We consciously broke it with the high level design, both > > of the user experience and of th

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Nov 8, 2007, at 18:09 , Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > Though applications backwards compatibility just doesn't make sense in > this context. We consciously broke it with the high level design, both > of the user experience and of the security framework. That's not the point. The point is how ha

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Nov 8, 2007 5:20 PM, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bitfrost is not a general Linux distribution security mechanism. > Sugar is not a general Linux desktop environment. These things are > designed with different goals in mind, for a different purpose, and > behave differently than the

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Nov 8, 2007 9:33 AM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 11:20 -0500, Ivan Krstić wrote: > > > > > A tiny size restriction is pretty new. > > Heh. You are way too young > > The presumption has always been you'd better keep things in /tmp pretty > small; that's why

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Jim Gettys wrote: > Heh. You are way too young It takes a long time to become young! On the upside, my work did not give rise to xorg.conf ;) Marcus Leech wrote: > My first Unix machine had 128K of MOS memory, and we supported about > 10-15 interactive users o

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Marcus Leech
Jim Gettys wrote: > > > Heh. You are way too young > > The presumption has always been you'd better keep things in /tmp pretty > small; that's why the distinction between /tmp and /var/tmp was made. > It allowed people to use RAM file systems for speed long before it would > have otherwise b

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 11:20 -0500, Ivan Krstić wrote: > > A tiny size restriction is pretty new. Heh. You are way too young The presumption has always been you'd better keep things in /tmp pretty small; that's why the distinction between /tmp and /var/tmp was made. It allowed people to u

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Nov 8, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Albert Cahalan wrote: > One failure is no excuse to purposely fail in every way. It's not a purposeful failure. We're imposing non-obvious changes on semantics due to restrictions in our environment, such as a strict limitation on the size of /tmp. I'd _much_ rath

Re: secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Nov 8, 2007, at 16:51 , Jim Gettys wrote: > I sympathize with Albert's point here: we should be no more > incompatible > than we have to be... Just because we have to break some things, > doesn't mean we have to break everything. > - Jim +1 - Bert - __

Re: [OLPC Security] [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Jim Gettys
I sympathize with Albert's point here: we should be no more incompatible than we have to be... Just because we have to break some things, doesn't mean we have to break everything. - Jim On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 10:42 -0500, Albert Cahalan wrote: > On 11/8/07, Ivan Krst

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Albert Cahalan
On 11/8/07, Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Albert Cahalan wrote: > > Using standard directories is not scribbling all over > > the filesystem! > > This anti-compatibility attitude needs to stop. It's really > > hurting OLPC, needlessly making the goals harder

New joyride build 257

2007-11-08 Thread Build Announcer Script
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Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Albert Cahalan wrote: > Using standard directories is not scribbling all over > the filesystem! > This anti-compatibility attitude needs to stop. It's really > hurting OLPC, needlessly making the goals harder to > achieve. Breaking compatibility is something to be done >

Re: [sugar] secure /tmp and /var/tmp

2007-11-08 Thread NoiseEHC
>> 2) How much can the flash drive handle per throughput AND lifetime limits? >> >> > > Throughput is dominated by compression / decompression. The latter goes > at about 3 MB/sec; the former is probably slower. > Assuming that 50% of time is spent in decompression: 433.000.000/3.000.

Re: when an xo loses connection, how long does it take to disappear from other's neighbor view?

2007-11-08 Thread Simon McVittie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 at 17:49:52 -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: > Just a mention, since this thread is getting a lot of attention. There > is an added visual element which should be in play here, according to > the design. There should be an intermediate s

Re: when an xo loses connection, how long does it take to disappear from other's neighbor view?

2007-11-08 Thread Morgan Collett
Simon McVittie wrote: > PS makes an unlimited number of connection attempts, with a short > delay between each one (we should probably change this to use an > exponential backoff process so the delays get longer as you're offline > for longer, up to a maximum of perhaps 10 minutes). #2522. __

Re: when an xo loses connection, how long does it take to disappear from other's neighbor view?

2007-11-08 Thread Simon McVittie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 at 13:36:45 -0500, Giannis Galanis wrote: > I can definitely try to arrange this. But, can you please send me the > tarball to test it in the mean time? Will do. > I don't think it's feasible to implement correct handling of PS re

Re: update script

2007-11-08 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:59 , Andres Salomon wrote: > On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:59:54 -0500 > Bernardo Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello Bert, >> >> could you change the diff format to something like side-by-side or >> unified? >> >> The default confuses e-mail clients because it looks lik