[DNG] Not installing files to /boot Debian discussion

Hi! Not installing files to /boot https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2022/09/msg00062.html I hope this will be rejected by Debian community. EFI has a partition already, why then use FAT filesystem for /boot is beyond me. Especially as EFI should be replaced by something sane anyway. Cia

[DNG] Another problem you won't have without Systemd (or separate oomd)

Hi! You cannot make this up, can you? Bug 2119518 - GNOME being OOM killed during basic use on VM with 2G of RAM https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2119518 It still seems to be that people think adding complexity comes without risk of malfunction. oomd may make sense in certain clo

Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd

Joel Roth via Dng - 05.08.22, 21:56:01 CEST: > On Fri, Aug 05, 2022 at 03:05:54PM +, jkinney23--- via Dng wrote: > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022, 02:53:33 p.m. PDT, Bruce Perens via > > Dng wrote: > > > I haven't followed more modern experimental operating systems. > > > Mostly you don't he

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

Peter Duffy - 11.07.22, 11:37:09 CEST: > It's an interesting development, and in a strange way it feels as > though it's been coming. > > IBM owns Redhat and M$ owns systemd (Poettering has said that he's > continuing to work on systemd. Presumably that's not going to be in > his spare time ;) ).

[DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

Hi! How come that I am not surprised? I said it back then already that Systemd adoption followed a similar pattern to Microsoft's "embrace, extend, and extinguish" tactics. (They are still following the very same pattern, this time with Office 365.) Well… I won't miss him. I hope he stops deve

[DNG] Another reason for why I use Devuan

Hi! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1958377/ comments/13 as in Systemd does not configure the network if the machine has no machine-id. You cannot make this up, or can you? Thanks, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists

[DNG] What is your take on finit?

Hi! I saw this coming into Debian Sid, so should be available in Devuan Ceres as well: https://troglobit.com/projects/finit/ Sounds interesting, I'd say. Best, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

k...@aspodata.se - 03.01.22, 18:25:12 CET: > The first one gives me an unbootable system > $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 > (0x7f737ba28000) […] > Soo, what can I do to help with that ? https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/d

Re: [DNG] Ryzen?

Antony Stone - 27.12.21, 18:54:41 CET: > I'm sure I've read somewhere (and not especially recently) that Linux > on AMD Ryzen CPUs can be unreliable and/or surprisingly poor > performance. > > Can anyone comment on current (eg: Beowulf / Chimaera with standard > kernels) operation on such machines

Re: [DNG] installing zoom in Chimaera

Hi. Haines Brown - 04.12.21, 23:08:03 CET: > I downloaded zoom_amd64.deb and placed it in a directory in > /usrlocal/share. In that directory I run: > > # apt install -f ./zoom_amd64.deb > ... > Note, selecting 'zoom' instead of './zoom_amd64.deb' > Some packages could not be installed. T

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Steve Litt - 13.11.21, 23:24:51 CET: > By the way, for the person who really wants the usr merge, wouldn't > the conversion from an unmerged system consist of two mass copies and > a few symlinks? No. At least not if you like dpkg to be working fine. As I noted before, see: https://wiki.debian.o

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Didier Kryn - 08.11.21, 13:50:25 CET: > What is called "interpreter" here is the dynamic linker associated to > the shared version of gcc, the Gnu C library. There is practically no > statically linked application in a Debian distribution, except some > part of debootstrap. Well and special packag

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Harald Arnesen via Dng - 06.11.21, 12:31:16 CET: > william moss via Dng [05/11/2021 22.49]: > > BSD and system V (AT&T/Bell Labs System Five) switched more than a > > decade ago. > > Certainly not FreeBSD: > > $ uname -or > FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE > > $ ls /bin | wc -l >44 > > $ ls /usr/bin

[DNG] DMARC/DKIM (was: Re: To cc or not cc.)

Steve Litt - 06.11.21, 03:38:19 CET: > The biggest accomplishment of this DMARC/DKIM thing was to make email > such a mess that it sent even more of the dummy dwobes to Facebook, a > private club having a monopoly over communication. What could POSSIBLY > go wrong? I still did not fully wrap my he

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

william moss via Dng - 05.11.21, 22:49:42 CET: > On 11/5/21 4:13 PM, Svante Signell via Dng wrote: > > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > >> Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the > >> non- > >> merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Svante Signell via Dng - 05.11.21, 21:13:10 CET: > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 18:50 +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > Debian 11 Bullseye is the last Debian release that supports the > > non- > > merged-usr layout. It is therefore foreseeable that Devuan 4 > > Chimaera > > will also be. > > I'm not s

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Hi Svante. No need to Cc me. I am subscribed. (I know there are different habits, so just a friendly information.) Svante Signell - 05.11.21, 11:26:52 CET: > On Fri, 2021-11-05 at 10:52 +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Debian 11 defaults to usr merge. So the installed system

[DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

Hi! I migrated a Debian Buster to Devuan Chimaera by already install runit- init into /target during Debian installation and then switching over sources.list to Chimaera. Debian 11 defaults to usr merge. So the installed system used usr merge. I suppose Devuan is compatible and will remain comp

Re: [DNG] Awkishness [Was: Re: Steam, Mumble, Valheim, Alsa and shared audio

Dear Erik, dva...@internode.on.net - 24.08.21, 07:25:07 CEST: >I hope that interests someone. It's not often that an > opportunity to espouse the original text Swiss army knife presents > itself. Thanks! Nice one. Best, -- Martin ___ Dng maili

[DNG] New service manager being developed

Hi! Look at https://skarnet.com/projects/service-manager.html Sounds quite interesting, if you ask me. Best, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Plasma Wayland on Devuan Ceres

Hi! Its running! But with kwin-wayland-backend-drm, not with kwin-wayland-backend-x11 which Apt installs alongside plasma-workspace-wayland by default. See: Bug 439629 - kwin/plasma does not start with wayland x11 backend on Devuan https://bugs.kde.org/439629 I switched two machines, a Thin

Re: [DNG] ..are we|Devuan safe from this systemd backdoor malware, taking our kernels from Debian?

Olaf Meeuwissen - 05.05.21, 12:04:10 CEST: > No libsystemd0 on my beowulf machine but I did find it on a chimaera > system I installed just a few days ago (using the alpha installer). > > Curiousity peaked, I hunted it down and it turns out that my console > only chimaera system installed it to sa

Re: [DNG] ..are we|Devuan safe from this systemd backdoor malware, taking our kernels from Debian?

Hi! goli...@devuan.org - 02.05.21, 22:15:48 CEST: > On 2021-05-02 06:08, terryc wrote: > > Unfortunately there are systemd libraries installed by > > Devuan-beowulf > > desktop installation DVD. > > [snip] > > And they are harmless. > > Why are systemd files present in Devuan? > https://dev1gal

[DNG] Plasma with Wayland requiring systemd-localed?

Hi! Anyone ever tried Plasma with Wayland on Devuan? .local/share/sddm# less wayland-session.log not a reply org.freedesktop.locale1 QDBusMessage(type=Error, service="org.freedesktop.DBus", error name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown", error message="The name org.freedesktop.locale1

Re: [DNG] Devuan 3.1 media coverage

Hendrik Boom - 18.02.21, 22:23:54 CET: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:41:52PM +0100, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > > Nice, Devuan made it to the reputable german IT news at heise.de > > (also home of the internet magazine 'telepolis') again: > > > > https://www.heise.de/-5057592 > > Didn't get

Re: [DNG] Version control /etc (was Re: Ethernet names revisited)

Martin Steigerwald - 13.12.20, 16:07:10 CET: > Hendrik Boom - 13.12.20, 15:52:31 CET: > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 09:29:26AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > I do not care about all the automatic changes by package upgrades. > > > > I care about the automat

Re: [DNG] Version control /etc (was Re: Ethernet names revisited)

Hendrik Boom - 13.12.20, 15:52:31 CET: > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 09:29:26AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I do not care about all the automatic changes by package upgrades. > > I care about the automatic changes by package upgrades when they > conflict with my own. W

Re: [DNG] Version control /etc (was Re: Ethernet names revisited)

Martin Steigerwald - 13.12.20, 09:29:26 CET: > The history on this laptop dates back till May 2011. And I have older > machines where I used it. It may be that for this laptop I just cloned > the bzr branch of the older laptop, then did a diff to see which > files to adapt and contin

Re: [DNG] Version control /etc (was Re: Ethernet names revisited)

Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng - 13.12.20, 03:48:23 CET: > Hi Hendrik, > > Hendrik Boom writes: > > I wish everything user-configurable under /etc was under revision > > control. then we might even be able to have a vendor branch and a > > local branch. > Have a look at etckeeper. > > I've been using th

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 10:16:47 CET: > On 12/8/20 6:02 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > […] > > > >> Other than a manual install, are there any alternatives? I am > >> interested to hear how others are doing this. > > > > I am still using dehyd

Re: [DNG] Your system is not supported by certbot-auto anymore.

Hi Simon. Simon Walter - 08.12.20, 09:41:15 CET: > It is nice to see that there is instructions for Devuan at > https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/devuanascii-apache and that they > don't say to use snapd. However, what has certbot become? > > I have yet to look at the source code, but there ar

Re: [DNG] Linux's sucky cut and paste: was: problematic mouse driver?

Ludovic Bellière - 18.11.20, 10:11:12 CET: > I believe you have some misconception on how cut and paste > works on the X Window environment. I believe that a proper > understanding on how you host environment behave would help you figure > out an appropriate workflow. Oh, and thanks for your detai

Re: [DNG] Linux's sucky cut and paste: was: problematic mouse driver?

Ludovic Bellière - 18.11.20, 10:11:12 CET: > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:07:06 -0500 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 08:16:11 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Other than deliberate exclusion of Linux users by Microsoft and > > their > > henchmen, the only area I've seen where Wind

Re: [DNG] Free faces?

Hendrik Boom - 06.08.20, 01:08:33 CEST: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:00:02AM +0200, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: > > Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the > > news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other > > photos of that person online, and does a good job of it t

[DNG] Privacy and large public, yet privately owned, service providers (was: Re: Zoom?)

Ozi Traveller - 04.08.20, 06:57:38 CEST: > I've switched to teams. I avoid Teams as much as I can. Unfortunately we have Office 365 at work. I read about all the privacy issues on Zoom, but at least from the reaction of Zoom people I had the impression they are taking them seriously. And they a

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Hi! No need to CC me. Ozi Traveller - 04.08.20, 06:55:48 CEST: > I have it on an isolated laptop! And I don't care what happens to it! That of course is the best isolation you can get. Ciao, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https:/

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Martin Steigerwald - 04.08.20, 06:54:06 CEST: > I also installed Rocket.Chat through Flatpak and there I was able that > I am not able to track files into the chat client from directories *drag* > that are *not* allowed for the app. Its error message was less than > helpful,

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Martin Steigerwald - 04.08.20, 06:46:11 CEST: > If you use the Debian package, or even with the Flatpak, you can setup > up a different use or use a VM, to contain the application. For now I a different user > rely on what Flatpak can do, but a different user or a VM of course > gi

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Ozi Traveller via Dng - 04.08.20, 06:00:43 CEST: > Yes use the debian deb I have it running on devuan. > > or > > try the web client > > https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/214629443-Zoom-web-client I'd avoid using the web client. At least with a browser that is not specifically set up t

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Martin Steigerwald - 04.08.20, 06:34:22 CEST: > Haines Brown - 04.08.20, 01:58:26 CEST: > > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > > > But there's no zo

Re: [DNG] Zoom?

Hi. Haines Brown - 04.08.20, 01:58:26 CEST: > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > debian's zoom .deb? I used flatpak to install Z

Re: [DNG] Non-systemd Linux for older hardware (was: Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving)

Hi! spiralofhope - 01.07.20, 05:53:38 CEST: > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:53:19 +0200 > > "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > > A word of condolence to anybody fixed on old hardware. If you cannot > > upgrade, there is still the BSD-family which offer support down to > > 80486. And they, too, are systemd-fr

[DNG] What can even possibly go wrong?

Hi! Just a little rant and feel free to ignore it. systemd-homed… I hope none of it is ever implemented to elogind. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-homed.service.html https://systemd.io/USER_RECORD/ (just count the lines of that one… its utterly complex stuff) https:/

Re: [DNG] Fw: looking for a replacement for debian since systemd

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 14.12.19, 02:55:26 CET: > According to this message on the Debian-User email message, Debian is > working on dumping non-systemd inits. The Debian vote methods are so > arcane I can't tell whether that's true or false, or whether the > quoted vote is early or partial informa

Re: [DNG] Identifying a file system

Hendrik Boom - 12.08.19, 02:52:40 CEST: > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 11:15:35PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hendrik Boom - 11.08.19, 14:44:53 CEST: > > > That may be true. You can also check with “wipefs” tool (don't > > > worry,> > >

Re: [DNG] Identifying a file system

Hendrik Boom - 11.08.19, 14:44:53 CEST: > That may be true. You can also check with “wipefs” tool (don't worry, > > without -a it won't wipe anything): > > > > wipefs --no-act /dev/sda4 > > > > Wipefs has a big database of various filesystem metadata, it detects > > almost anything. > > april:/

Re: [DNG] What do you think of Wayland?

Martin Steigerwald - 14.07.19, 13:19: > > And here from askubuntu[3]: > > > > Wayland is a lot less complex than X which should make it > > easier to maintain - although some of this simplicity comes > > from pushing the complexity (eg: how to actually draw

Re: [DNG] removed encrypted file system? was date of publication of beowulf

Hendrik Boom - 13.07.19, 01:01: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 01:33:22PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:00:35 -0400 > > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Debian actually removed one of the encrypted file systems because > > > it turns out to be incompatible with systemd. > > > > Are

Re: [DNG] What do you think of Wayland?

Joel Roth via Dng - 13.07.19, 01:24: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:36:17PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2019 Fri, 12 Jul 13:53:20 -0400 > > > > Steve Litt scripsit: […] > > Dont know if wayland is compatible to anything not gnome. But I'm > > not verry eger to try. It sure is.

Re: [DNG] What do you think of Wayland?

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 12.07.19, 19:53: > What do you think of Wayland? I hear Buster now defaults to Wayland. > > I've always been under the impression that Wayland is just another > overly complexified mess from Redhat and Freedesktop.org. I do not share that view. For me rather X11 todays is

Re: [DNG] Server updated to Devuan Beowulf

Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 23:00: > After release of Debian 10 aka Buster I just upgraded my new 64-Bit > Devuan server from Ascii to Beowulf. The server provides mail, web and > some other services. > > What can I say? > > It just worked. Additionally for both of my

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Tomasz Torcz - 09.07.19, 21:07: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:58:37PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > > > > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Steve Litt - 09.07.19, 13:07: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Hendrik Boom - 09.07.19, 14:26: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > > Just another reaso

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

fsmithred via Dng - 09.07.19, 12:49: > On 7/9/19 5:07 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > >> Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being > >> available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, b

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 11:07: > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend o

Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available in > a large enough quantity. > > G

Re: [DNG] Server updated to Devuan Beowulf

goli...@devuan.org - 08.07.19, 23:11: > On 2019-07-08 16:00, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > After release of Debian 10 aka Buster I just upgraded my new 64-Bit > > Devuan server from Ascii to Beowulf. The server provides mail, web > > and some other services. > > >

[DNG] Server updated to Devuan Beowulf

Hi. After release of Debian 10 aka Buster I just upgraded my new 64-Bit Devuan server from Ascii to Beowulf. The server provides mail, web and some other services. What can I say? It just worked. Only thing was that for Quassel IRC I had to use "aa-disable quassel- core" to disable AppArmor.

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

Hendrik Boom - 08.07.19, 16:56: > On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 10:54:58AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Steve Litt - 07.07.19, 01:26: > > > On Sat, 06 Jul 2019 08:49:52 +0200 > > > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > So I believe it

[DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly

Hi! Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. unblock: systemd/241-4 https://bugs.debian.org/929215 Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available in a large enough quantity. Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the random number g

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

viverna - 06.07.19, 15:58: > il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 06-07-19 07:24:37 ha scritto: > >> Instead it's possible > >> inject in all daemon's install a piece of posix shell? > >> Workaround script on event "DPkg::Post-Invoke" as I said in the > >> previous email? > > > >You know much more than

Re: [DNG] ..so Debian is Busting postgresql, evolution-ews inboxes and history itself?, was: Runit service depend another script not daemon

Arnt Karlsen - 07.07.19, 16:29: > ..another motive in town?: > 5.3.7. evolution-ews has been dropped, AND EMAIL INBOXES USING > EXCHANGE, OFFICE365 OR OUTLOOK SERVER WILL BE REMOVED: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-informat > ion.en.html#evolution-and-exchange > htt

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

Steve Litt - 07.07.19, 01:26: > On Sat, 06 Jul 2019 08:49:52 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Steve Litt - 06.07.19, 07:24: […] > > There is the debian-init-diversity group where Debian and Devuan > > people work together. Back then I helped to bring that forwa

Re: [DNG] Installing sysv-init under Debian Buster

Joel Roth via Dng - 07.07.19, 23:39: > Noting here a solution from the debian-user mailing list. > > I'm aware there's a team working for init system flexibility > on Debian and send my kudos and beer vouchers to them :-) > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/06/msg00961.html > > >

Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon

Steve Litt - 06.07.19, 07:24: > > It is not > > difficult to think of the day when Debian will remove completely > > sysvinit script in all packages. > > Pre-Cisely! I would not bet on that. There is the debian-init-diversity group where Debian and Devuan people work together. Back then I helpe

Re: [DNG] backups from ext4 to ntfs - extended attributes and access control lists

Rick Moen - 29.05.19, 04:14: > Quoting Bruce Ferrell (bferr...@baywinds.org): > > I am absolutely astounded by the number of time I've seen *IX > > "admins" at fortune X companies copy a tree to a windows share and > > wonder why it's broken when they try to restore from it. NFS, if not > > done co

Re: [DNG] Java 8 on beowulf

Hi Steve. Steve - 31.05.19, 02:47: > A couple of weeks ago I upgraded to Beowulf and I see that it comes > with openjdk 11. I have an app that needs java 8 so I was planning to > have both installed, maybe use the script described here: > > https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/02/install-any-oracle

[DNG] cloud-init with Devuan

Hi! I created a Devuan image for my Linux trainings. On Devuan Ascii with ancient cloud-init '0.7.9-2' I have an issue with initial network configuration after cloning VMs. I use Proxmox VE. On the first boot cloud-init is supposed to configure the network. However it does so *after* '/etc/ini

[DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd

Hi! Today in a Linux training a participant attempted to bring down Debian workstation with Systemd by sending signals to PID 1 as I invited them to try to bring down PID 1 while thinking for myself that this would not be possible from my past experiences about trying to bring down PID 1 – ini

Re: [DNG] [RFC] User services

Didier Kryn - 13.05.19, 11:49: > Le 13/05/2019 à 10:47, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > s@po, tux...@sapo.pt - 11.05.19, 18:22: > >> Hello All, > >> > >> On Sat, 11 May 2019 11:26:12 +0200 > >> > >> Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >&g

Re: [DNG] [RFC] User services

s@po, tux...@sapo.pt - 11.05.19, 18:22: > Hello All, > > On Sat, 11 May 2019 11:26:12 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Now that the proof of concept is out, I am thinking about extending > > it a little bit. […] > > What do y

Re: [DNG] [RFC] User services

Hi. Thank you, Hendrik for your feedback. Hendrik Boom - 11.05.19, 16:45: > On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:26:12AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Now that the proof of concept is out, I am thinking about extending > > it a little bit. > > You use the spellings user-servic

Re: [DNG] User services (UPDATE 2)

Martin Steigerwald - 11.05.19, 11:00: > Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > > and > > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > > > tada… welcome

Re: [DNG] [RFC] User services

Martin Steigerwald - 11.05.19, 11:26: > Hi. > > Now that the proof of concept is out, I am thinking about extending it > a little bit. > > - make is a package > - make "install-or-update.sh" into "/usr/bin/userservices" with the > following actions:

Re: [DNG] User services

Didier Kryn - 11.05.19, 11:22: > Le 11/05/2019 à 09:54, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> Hi! > >> > >> Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > >>

[DNG] [RFC] User services

Hi. Now that the proof of concept is out, I am thinking about extending it a little bit. - make is a package - make "install-or-update.sh" into "/usr/bin/userservices" with the following actions: - install: Sets up userservices for the user - update: Updates it - remove: Removes i - make

Re: [DNG] User services (UPDATE 1)

Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… > > tada… welcome to user services: > > https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/mast

Re: [DNG] User services

Steve Litt - 11.05.19, 09:54: > On Fri, 10 May 2019 21:12:15 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus > > and > > running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but w

Re: [DNG] User services

Martin Steigerwald - 10.05.19, 21:12: > Thanks a lot to Evilham for coming up with the idea to use runit for > user services and for providing the initial service directories for > the four services to make Evolution work. Thanks a lot of course also to Gerrit Pape for that piece o

[DNG] User services

Hi! Do you remember the days where people believed in rough consensus and running code? :) It was before my time here on Earth, but whatever… tada… welcome to user services: https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services/blob/master/README.md % userservice list evolution-addressbook-factory evo

Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke

Jaromil - 02.04.19, 20:10: > he is now in moderation. if the trolling comes back from other > accounts please don't feed. And I already thought I just overreacted. I suggest to just let the whole topic rest for a while. If there is anything remaining, I bet its much more easy to clear up with a

Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke

Mike Bird - 02.04.19, 18:46: > On Tue April 2 2019 07:30:58 Jaromil wrote: > > 1. There was no break-in on any part of Devuan's infrastructure on > > 1st> > >April. This was the most skillfull prank I've witnessed in my > >life. > > You are easily impressed. And you double down on Katola

Re: [DNG] What you saw on devuan.org yesterday was an April's fools joke

Dear Jaromil. Jaromil - 02.04.19, 16:30: > dear readers, > > as a Devuan caretaker and co-founder, in my own personal capacity, let > me state that: > > 1. There was no break-in on any part of Devuan's infrastructure on 1st > April. This was the most skillfull prank I've witnessed in my life. T

Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

Adrian Zaugg - 01.04.19, 22:10: > I'd definitively preferred: > > Devuan embraces Systemd! > After thorough discussions in our technical committee Devuan decided > to ship systemd with its next release "Beowulf" as the standard init. > Systemd is a complete pot of terware that will enhance Devuan

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Mike Bird - 02.04.19, 00:03: > On Mon April 1 2019 14:39:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > In what way is that not good enough for you? What would be required > > for you to forgive a mistake and go on with your life? […] > What part of Evilham's statement that "it sti

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Dear Mike. Mike Bird - 01.04.19, 22:52: > On Mon April 1 2019 13:25:15 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > 1) please give any requests for removing one of the core members > > from the project or using legal enforcement a rest. KatolaZ > > apologized already several times. So ple

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Rowland Penny via Dng - 01.04.19, 22:37: > The stunt pulled here could have caused alarm and distress and should > never have happened. I do not know if this was a one person stunt or > not, but in my opinion, the guy who pulled it should offer a > grovelling apology and promise to never do anythin

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Martin Steigerwald - 01.04.19, 22:25: > 1) please give any requests for removing one of the core members from > the project or using legal enforcement a rest. KatolaZ apologized > already several times. So please let it go. > > 2) KatolaZ, could you repost your clarifying stat

Re: [DNG] [kato...@freaknet.org: devuan.org is back]

KatolaZ - 01.04.19, 22:46: > Martin, All, > > all my messages have always been signed, so I don't understand what > you are referring to. This message is signed as well, with my key, > which is the same I used to sign all the Devuan install images since > Jessie RC2 in April 2017, and minimal live

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Hi. 1) please give any requests for removing one of the core members from the project or using legal enforcement a rest. KatolaZ apologized already several times. So please let it go. 2) KatolaZ, could you repost your clarifying statement in thread "devuan.org is back" signed with your gpg key

Re: [DNG] devuan.org is back

Hi KatolaZ. KatolaZ - 01.04.19, 15:27: > Again and to clarify once and for all: this was just an April fool. No > machine was compromised. No content was moved, deleted, or tampered > with in any way. Noone got access to the Devuan infra. No package or > mirror was affected. Thanks for clarifying

Re: [DNG] *** DEVUAN.ORG HAS BEEN PWNED *** , message -- UPDATE

mett - 01.04.19, 05:38: > On 2019年4月1日 11:03:36 JST, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 01:35:30AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 12:21:58AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > >> > >> [cut] > >> > >> > Just to let you know that Devuan's caretakers got anonymous > >> > email

Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id

Didier Kryn - 12.03.19, 09:48: > Le 11/03/2019 à 19:33, KatolaZ a écrit : > > guys, anything using dbus will most probably (indirectly) access > > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at some point in time, since that file is > > read when attempting to send a message via dbus. > > It's most certainly as

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

Jaromil - 10.03.19, 14:03: > > > but first things first: do we want /etc/machine-id? and how? > > > > In my view it falls in the completely unnessesary or the potentially > > dangerous group. > > > > I don't want it. > > while I'm still catching up with reading all the thread, I think you > make

Re: [DNG] Devuan server outage -- Please read

Hi KatolaZ. KatolaZ - 10.03.19, 10:14: > we have experienced an outage to part of the Devuan infrastructure. As > a result, the following services are not currently reachable: > > - www.devuan.org > - packages.devuan.org > - *.mirror.devuan.org > - ci.devuan.org > > We are working to resolve the

Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy

Simon Hobson - 31.01.19, 14:07: > Massimo Coppola wrote: […] > It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's clear > that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd > suggest that many of us "systemd - just say no" folks aren't > fundamentally opposed to improveme

Re: [DNG] slashes in FAT file names

Hendrik Boom - 23.12.18, 04:15: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 02:35:35AM +0100, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote: > > Hi Hendrik, > > > > El Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:20:22 -0500 > > > > Hendrik Boom escribió: > > > > > > Rename them. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. 'ls -i' #Gets the inode number. >

Re: [DNG] slashes in FAT file names

Hello Hendrik, Hendrik Boom - 22.12.18, 04:23: > ls -l lists them like this: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 hendrik hendrik 0 Sep 1 2007 06 - Track 6.mq3 > -? ? ? ? ?? 07/TRA~1.MP3 instead of useful metadata can be a sign of filesystem corruption. There migh

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