Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Tom Wylie
One of my personal yardstick of the "goodness" of an expedition is NOT the total number of QSOs made as that depends entirely on the number of operators, stations and the duration but I like to look at the TOTAL QSOs made by the NUMBER of OPERATORS and the NUMBER of DAYS taken into account L

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I think KQ8M's first comment in response to G7VJR's editorial is on point. Clublog's "Leaderboards" should be modified to stop counting at 11 "band slots." 11 (or 12 if the operation works six meters) allows a station to work the operation on each band plus pick up QSOs on CW, Digital, and voi

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Ryan Jairam
I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition, they're usually begging. Those who couldn't make a QSO probably couldn't make a QSO on a completely clear band anyway. There is only so much you can work with a dipole and 100 watts. And finally, DXing is competitive.You can be

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Barry
I disagree. The last day of the Yemen DXpediition was the first day I heard them well here in Colorado. There were still lots of callers. Fortunately, I didn't need it, so I never got into the pileups. ARRL created this mess when they expanded DXCC to include individual band awards. Ther

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote: I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition, they're usually begging. You obviously did not attempt to work 7O6T on RTTY. The Europeans monopolized the few available RTTY band slots and even chased 7O6T off RTTY many times in t

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Zack Widup
Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requirements, you could get by with 9 QSO's which would cover 160 through 10 meters. You only need one QSO each on CW, SSB and RTTY, so you could either fit them in amongst your 9 QSO's, or make a total of 11 QSO's to satisfy DXCC requirements. The L

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
ailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Barry Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:04 PM To: rjai...@gmail.com; NJDXA DX Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad? I disagree. The last day of the Yemen DXpediition was the first day I heard them well here in Colorado. There were still lots

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-05 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
only illustrate the problem, they don't create it. IMHO 73 _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Zack Widup Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:59 PM To: dx-chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad? Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requ

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread DAVE WHITE
, they''ve been behaving like that for years anyway... cheers Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad? Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requ

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Zack Widup
a > Dxpedition on every band/slot whether or not there's a leader board online. > After all, they''ve been behaving like that for years anyway... > > cheers > > Dave G0OIL > - Original Message - > From: Zack Widup > To: dx-chat > Sent: Tuesda

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Peter W2IRT
I chase them across all bands/modes for the same reason that climbers climb mountains; because they're there. I'm not going to interfere with anybody else's business of working DX and I will resent anybody poking their nose into mine. So long as everybody is operating legally I'm good with however

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Victor Goncharsky US5WE
I was making such bands/modes tables filling them by hand long before the computer era. Still doing this for major DXpeditions and really surprised of the public excitement of such a simple thing. Will someone prohibit me to print this SSB/CW 160-10 form for the next major operation? NO. W

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread KE1F Lou
y''ve been behaving like that for years anyway... cheers Dave G0OIL - Original Message ----- From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad? Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requireme

RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Dave White
ke a combination of Fraggle Rock and the Chimps' Tea Party at London Zoo? Cheers Dave SM/G0OIL - Original Message - From: Victor Goncharsky US5WE Sent: 06 June 2012 19:02 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad? I was making such bands/mode

Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

2012-06-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
DX Hogs will be DX Hogs no matter what. The idea is that they should not be *encouraged or rewarded* for acting like DX Hogs but publishing a *Leader Board* as if such behavior made the operator a *champion*. I like the idea of replacing the Leaderboard matrix with a flat table that shows each