[Edu-sig] The end is near :)

* Carnegie Mellon Collaborates with EA to Revolutionize And Reinvigorate Computer Science Education in the US** *http://www.alice.org/index2.html ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)

I picked up the Alice/EA development from a offhand mention of Alice in Titus Browns' weblog entry of today. *Michigan State University, Software Engineering, and Python* http://www.advogato.org/person/titus/diary.html?start=171 Alice's mention in passing is in effect that it represents a compe

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> For the record - rather its on the record, *here* - is the fact that I > have been following Alice with a good degree of horror for some 5 years. For the record, I'm somewhat interested in what you're *for* but what you're against I don't pay much attention to. You've goofed up too much. Wha

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> >-Original Message- > >From: kirby urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: Arthur > >You've goofed up too much. What more need I say? You needn't say even that. But you have. ;) Art ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://

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For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skiing bunnies and other pro

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kirby urner wrote: >For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem >to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious >of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up >and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skii

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> > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative. > Willamette University is offering an art major centered around computers. For a lot of kids, the big question is: how do I get a job making Shrek type movies or with Industrial Light and Magic. They hear (correctly) that it

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- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:56 am Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > > > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative. > > > > Willamette University is offerin

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> So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a statement like > Alice is not big on my radar. It's not even a Python project. When it comes to protecting the integrity of CS from watering down, I look to people stronger than you to fight the dumbing down influences. I think y

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- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a > statement like > > > > Alice is not big on m

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> Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > Let some people go with Alice if they like. There's no way to compete with an unknown. I'm not against entering Alice in the ring, any time Alice likes. > What claims should I make for it?

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- Original Message - From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > >

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> I look to to me less ungenerous than you look to me. > > Must be just the point of view. > > Art Anyway, PyGeo is online, free, downloadable, and kids grooving on it (might be several) will have the power themselves to figure the redistro angle, via apt-get or whatever. It's what they know. Yo

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Alice is not big on my radar. > > Glad to hear it. > >> It's not even a Python project. > It is brought up here and now specifically in the context of it having been > noted > at U of Mich as competition to and with a Pyt

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On 4/10/06, Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > > > > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes. > > > > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose. > > The attention and discussion that used to go on on this list > about Python and educati

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At 01:39 11/04/2006, Andre Roberge wrote: >I could not possibly have said it better myself. Thanks for speaking up >on this topic, Scott. Indeed. Could we set up a separate Kirby and Arthur list, so those who enjoy watching their Itchy and Scratchy show antics could do so somewhere else? In t

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On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 10:00 +0100, Peter Bowyer wrote: > In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page > document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming > using Python, I have one :) Yes, please... Vern -- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose

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> Indeed. Could we set up a separate Kirby and Arthur list, so those > who enjoy watching their Itchy and Scratchy show antics could do so > somewhere else? Apologies. I have hardly any more budget for "replies to Arthur" on any but narrow topics related to his curriculum writing around PyGeo (h

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At 13:50 11/04/2006, kirby urner wrote: >I have hardly any more budget for "replies to Arthur" on >any but narrow topics related to his curriculum writing around PyGeo >(have you seen it?). No, and at present I'm not bothered :) Maths education isn't my thing. >Is it better than Zelle's? Not at

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Peter Bowyer schrieb: > At 01:39 11/04/2006, Andre Roberge wrote: > ...> In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page > document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming > using Python, I have one :) > Me too, please ... Gregor > Kind regards, > Peter >

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On 4/11/06, Peter Bowyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, and at present I'm not bothered :) Maths education isn't my thing. OK, I see that. Catching up on your blog. Kirby ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/lis

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On Apr 11, 2006, at 7:50 AM, kirby urner wrote: > >> In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page >> document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming >> using Python, I have one :) >> > Please count me in. > Is it better than Zelle's? I think the pro Pytho

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> Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0700 > From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :) > > > The attention and discussion that used to go on on this list > about Python and education. When you post at

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I was reluctant to say anything because I find Arthur has an interesting viewpoint, which I will miss. I suspect part of the issue is that he subscribes to this as an e-mail list, while I read it as a newsgroup on gmane. If I am correct, it looks more like a mix of messages in his day-to-day e

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On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Scott David Daniels wrote:One idea I had some time ago is using Python for visualizations.In particular, I once built an iterator-based visualization of DBquery processing (based on old collaborative work with my erstwhileoffice-mate Bennet Vance) that makes it visually