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Carnegie Mellon Collaborates with EA to Revolutionize And Reinvigorate
Computer Science Education in the US**
*http://www.alice.org/index2.html
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I picked up the Alice/EA development from a offhand mention of Alice in
Titus Browns' weblog entry of today.
*Michigan State University, Software Engineering, and Python*
http://www.advogato.org/person/titus/diary.html?start=171
Alice's mention in passing is in effect that it represents a compe
> For the record - rather its on the record, *here* - is the fact that I
> have been following Alice with a good degree of horror for some 5 years.
For the record, I'm somewhat interested in what you're *for* but what
you're against I don't pay much attention to. You've goofed up too
much. Wha
> >-Original Message-
> >From: kirby urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: Arthur
> >You've goofed up too much. What more need I say?
You needn't say even that.
But you have. ;)
Art
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For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem
to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious
of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up
and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skiing
bunnies and other pro
kirby urner wrote:
>For example, I don't buy that it's an either/or situation. You seem
>to think a Klein-reading Euclid-drawing subgenius, properly suspicious
>of Bucky (maybe armed with a few Bucky jokes) can't suddenly jump up
>and run over to an Alice workstation, there to play with cute skii
>
> CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative.
>
Willamette University is offering an art major centered around
computers. For a lot of kids, the big question is: how do I get a
job making Shrek type movies or with Industrial Light and Magic. They
hear (correctly) that it
- Original Message -
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> >
> > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative.
> >
>
> Willamette University is offerin
> So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a statement like
>
Alice is not big on my radar. It's not even a Python project. When
it comes to protecting the integrity of CS from watering down, I look
to people stronger than you to fight the dumbing down influences.
I think y
- Original Message -
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> > So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a
> statement like
> >
>
> Alice is not big on m
> Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes.
>
> Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose.
>
Let some people go with Alice if they like. There's no way to compete
with an unknown. I'm not against entering Alice in the ring, any time
Alice likes.
> What claims should I make for it?
- Original Message -
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes.
> >
> > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose.
> >
> I look to to me less ungenerous than you look to me.
>
> Must be just the point of view.
>
> Art
Anyway, PyGeo is online, free, downloadable, and kids grooving on it
(might be several) will have the power themselves to figure the
redistro angle, via apt-get or whatever. It's what they know. Yo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Alice is not big on my radar.
>
> Glad to hear it.
>
>> It's not even a Python project.
> It is brought up here and now specifically in the context of it having been
> noted
> at U of Mich as competition to and with a Pyt
On 4/10/06, Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes.
> >
> > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose.
>
> The attention and discussion that used to go on on this list
> about Python and educati
At 01:39 11/04/2006, Andre Roberge wrote:
>I could not possibly have said it better myself. Thanks for speaking up
>on this topic, Scott.
Indeed. Could we set up a separate Kirby and Arthur list, so those
who enjoy watching their Itchy and Scratchy show antics could do so
somewhere else?
In t
On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 10:00 +0100, Peter Bowyer wrote:
> In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page
> document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming
> using Python, I have one :)
Yes, please...
Vern
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This time for sure!
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> Indeed. Could we set up a separate Kirby and Arthur list, so those
> who enjoy watching their Itchy and Scratchy show antics could do so
> somewhere else?
Apologies. I have hardly any more budget for "replies to Arthur" on
any but narrow topics related to his curriculum writing around PyGeo
(h
At 13:50 11/04/2006, kirby urner wrote:
>I have hardly any more budget for "replies to Arthur" on
>any but narrow topics related to his curriculum writing around PyGeo
>(have you seen it?).
No, and at present I'm not bothered :) Maths education isn't my thing.
>Is it better than Zelle's?
Not at
Peter Bowyer schrieb:
> At 01:39 11/04/2006, Andre Roberge wrote:
>
...> In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page
> document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming
> using Python, I have one :)
>
Me too, please ...
Gregor
> Kind regards,
> Peter
>
On 4/11/06, Peter Bowyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, and at present I'm not bothered :) Maths education isn't my thing.
OK, I see that. Catching up on your blog.
Kirby
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On Apr 11, 2006, at 7:50 AM, kirby urner wrote:
>
>> In the meantime, if anyone wants to read and comment on a 35 page
>> document on the rationale behind teaching introductory programming
>> using Python, I have one :)
>>
>
Please count me in.
> Is it better than Zelle's? I think the pro Pytho
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:32:37 -0700
> From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
>
>
> The attention and discussion that used to go on on this list
> about Python and education. When you post at
I was reluctant to say anything because I find Arthur has an
interesting viewpoint, which I will miss. I suspect part of the
issue is that he subscribes to this as an e-mail list, while I
read it as a newsgroup on gmane. If I am correct, it looks more
like a mix of messages in his day-to-day e
On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Scott David Daniels wrote:One idea I had some time ago is using Python for visualizations.In particular, I once built an iterator-based visualization of DBquery processing (based on old collaborative work with my erstwhileoffice-mate Bennet Vance) that makes it visually
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