Re: [EM] STV+AV

2012-02-05 Thread David L Wetzell
I wanted to add that if STV (3-5 seats) with Droop Quota were used consistently across the US that there'd be 50 states forming the super-districts and so if there were biases due to gerrymandering some of them would cancel out... Also, even though this system is not terribly 3rd party friendly, i

Re: [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet

2012-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/04/2012 06:14 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 2/4/12 4:12 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 02/04/2012 06:47 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 2/3/12 11:06 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote: No, he's saying that when the CW and the true, honest utility winner differ, the latter is bet

Re: [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.

2012-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/04/2012 01:07 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: Personally I don't understand why one would want to spend time on a method that you have to defend by saying "it might work anyway," even if as built the incentives are wrong. I don't know if you're replying to me, but it seems to me that any determi

Re: [EM] STV+AV

2012-02-05 Thread Raph Frank
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Bryan Mills wrote: > Now, despite a 50/50 natural split, the rural party has a 60% supermajority. >  And, of course, if you draw the district lines differently you can do the > same thing for the urban party. This was attempted in Ireland, look up Tullymander. The

Re: [EM] [CES #4433] Looking at Condorcet - Recounting

2012-02-05 Thread Dave Ketchum
I believe this topic needs more thought. Ability to do accurate recounts should be considered essential. Sooner or later counters will be tempted to "adjust" counts to help achieve desired wins - we should consider it unacceptable to tempt them by letting them hide evidence of such. Reco

Re: [EM] [CES #4435] Looking at Condorcet - Runoffs

2012-02-05 Thread Dave Ketchum
FPTP brings us runoffs because they have a need - their voters can like more than one but cannot vote for more than one in any election. Majority makes sense for them and they can force that by selecting among only two in a runoff. Runoffs are expensive for all involved, so it is not clear

Re: [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet

2012-02-05 Thread Jameson Quinn
2012/2/5 Kevin Venzke > > -- > *De :* Jameson Quinn > *À :* electionscie...@googlegroups.com > *Cc :* EM > *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 3 février 2012 22h06 > *Objet :* Re: [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet > > > Condorcet systems fundamentally try to maximize t