Re: [PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread Helge Knudsen
Hi John, Quartz Watches are exempted from the EMC Directive, according to the guide for the EMC Directive, see Guide for the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC page 14 - 15: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/electrical/files/emc_guide__updated_2 0100208_v3_en.pdf Best regards Helge Knudsen Denmark

Re: [PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message <7b3d1875a9a53142ab5d421ee97d0e6003bbb...@ccsexchange.ccsdomain.ccsemc.co m>, dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Michael Heckrotte writes: Years ago I recall discussions about electronic wristwatches and FCC compliance; the power drawn from the watch battery was less than the output power of

Re: [PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread Cortland Richmond
From Part 15: Section 15.103 Exempted devices. The following devices are subject only to the general conditions of operation in Sections 15.5 and 15.29 and are exempt from the specific technical standards and other requirements contained in this Part. The operator of the exempted device shall

Re: [PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Heckrotte
Years ago I recall discussions about electronic wristwatches and FCC compliance; the power drawn from the watch battery was less than the output power of an emission that would just pass the Class B limit therefore compliance was inherent and no EMC testing was required. I don't know if this was ev

Re: [PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message m>, dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, "Crane, Lauren" writes: With regard to the EU EMC Directive, can anyone recommend a rule of thumb for when it can be said that equipment is a) incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which exceed a level allowing radio and

Re: [PSES] Power Amp for IEC 61000-4-16

2012-01-25 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
I don't follow the SWR thing at all, since I wouldn't expect it to be an issue at such small fractions of a wavelength. (but I'm no transmission line expert) I can see how -40dB level of any harmonic well past 150kHz could a challenge. Audio amplifier of old (Class AB analogue with one that o

Re: [PSES] power plugs and outlets

2012-01-25 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
i.e. basic insulation remains after failure of the grounding means. (e.g. a metal chassis still touch-safe) ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engin

[PSES] EMC and RTTE directive - out of scope because of power levels?

2012-01-25 Thread Crane, Lauren
With regard to the EU EMC Directive, can anyone recommend a rule of thumb for when it can be said that equipment is a) incapable of generating or contributing to electromagnetic emissions which exceed a level allowing radio and telecommunication equipment and other equipment to operate as intended;

Re: [PSES] power plugs and outlets

2012-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: No. Has no ground in French sockets. That projecting pin is the ground. Or should be. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associat

Re: [PSES] power plugs and outlets

2012-01-25 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Oh I forgot: “single fault” refers to a safety test where the test agency voluntarily removes ground from an EUT to verify that the EUT still complies with the safety requirements. (but with only 1 safety layer remaining) Gert Gremmen Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message <1327520440.74806.yahoomailclas...@web1109.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>, dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Bob Richards writes: Is that the same gallium alloy used in the turbo entabulator? ;-) No, it's 99.99% pure gallium. Otherwise it wouldn't melt when you put it on. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Derby
This makes me realise how boring my reply was. I'm sorry. I'll try harder next time. I don't want to be one of those guys in the red shirt who only turns up for one episode and you know he's going to get killed. Michael Derby Regulatory Engineer ACB Europe From:

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread Michael Derby
Hello, Please note that not all of these wireless chargers would be Part 15 (47CFR15, as stated). Some might be Part 18, depending on the operation. I think you'd need to look at the operation of the charger and see if any form of 'handshaking' is taking place; even if it's just a recognition s

Re: [PSES] power plugs and outlets

2012-01-25 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
No. Has no ground in French sockets. Creating a single fault on purpose… what do you think :<) ??? http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/qingtai/qingtai$722162956.jpg this is the socket in France. I’d go for the cee7/7 , suitable all over Europe for Class I but some non-

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread Bob Richards
Is that the same gallium alloy used in the turbo entabulator? ;-) --- On Wed, 1/25/12, John Woodgate wrote: From: John Woodgate Subject: Re: FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 2:18 PM In message , dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012

Re: [PSES] Power Amp for IEC 61000-4-16

2012-01-25 Thread Bob Richards
Don,   1% does sound extreme to me, but I am not familiar with the intent of this requirement.   This does remind me about my experience years ago during an audit to the automotive tri-plate immunity test. We had to run an artifact that was supplied by the auditors at two levels, 50v/m and 200 v

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Brian Oconnell writes: When human exposure mentioned, I think about Star Trek's 'subnucleonic radiation' - will CISPR32 address these limits? Yes, in the 6th edition, published in 2042. I've already commissioned a supply of gallium foil helmets to screen

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread Brian Oconnell
ICNIRP 29CFR1926 29CFR1910 ANSI C95.x 47CFR15 CISPR 11,12,14,22 When human exposure mentioned, I think about Star Trek's 'subnucleonic radiation' - will CISPR32 address these limits? Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Moshe Henig Sent:

Re: [PSES] FCC requirements for Inductive Chargers

2012-01-25 Thread Moshe Henig
Thanks group, But what are the FCC requirements for wireless chargers that does not comply with WPC? Thanks Moshe 2012/1/23 Moshe Henig > Dear Group, > > What are FCC requirements for Mobile Phone Battery Inductive Charger and > what are the conditions? > > Thanks > > > Moshe Henig Dipl. Ing.

[PSES] power plugs and outlets

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Gandler
Can you sell CEE 7/4 outlet in France? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to

Re: [PSES] Power Amp for IEC 61000-4-16

2012-01-25 Thread Don_Borowski
Ken- I have not only one, but two amplifiers that start at 10 kHz: an AR 25A100 (25 watts) and an AR 150A100A (150 watts). I only need 15 Vrms (4.5 watts) into a 50 ohm load from the 50 source impedance of the amplifier, so what is the problem? Well, the standard also requires the that source