[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-18 Thread seekliberation
> And how does that person 'achieve' great spiritual development?, through a > Religion developed by someone who achieved great spiritual development, and > on and on it goes, religion leads to spirituality which is the substance of > religion. FWIW. :-) Not necessarily. Eckhart Tolle, from wh

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-18 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" wrote: > > I think Religion is a bi-product of spirituality, as opposed to sprituality > being a bi-product of religion. It is very difficult to gain *proficiency* in Religion without spirituality, this is true, that is why they go han

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-18 Thread seekliberation
I think Religion is a bi-product of spirituality, as opposed to sprituality being a bi-product of religion. First you have spirituality. Someone achieves great spiritual development and achieves a great deal of admiration. So a bunch of people follow that person, record his thoughts and ide

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-17 Thread wgm4u
Additionally, the suggestion that one is 'spiritual' and not Religious, generally means one does not follow any 'sectarian' Religion, but some take it a step further and suggest that Religion itself doesn't even lead to spirituality which is ridiculous. Life itself leads to spirituality, true

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-16 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
> > (Generally, you don't BECOME spiritual without > > practicing some form of Religion, today, most > > people who claim to be 'spiritual' (as opposed > > to Religious) *ARE* practicing some from of > > discipline i.e. RELIGION). > > > > Bhairitu: > Religion is for sheeple... > Religion is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: pirituality once and for all. > > Is it possible to have a spiritual experience without > the presence of and outside of the confines of a > religion? Of course it is. Many of the founders of > what later became religions did exactly that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread martyboi
Q: Dear Guruji, I have never been a spiritual or a true religious person. How can I learn to let go and believe? Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: You don't have to label yourself- I am spiritual, religious person etc. No need for it. Just be natural, beautiful, good human being. That's it! If someone is

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
Fair enough. Regards Krishnamurti and Tolle. I think Krishnamurti's style of communicating his experience to others was largely confusing, though now I get what he was saying much better than in years past. Tolle does fare better, and is rather charming to listen to, so you get a sense of what h

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > 'wgm4u' I am quoting from two different posts here (Turq & Xeno). I think you > are missing something here. I cannot really speak for Turq, but to take a > shot, what he says is often a lot less than what he has been a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
'wgm4u' I am quoting from two different posts here (Turq & Xeno). I think you are missing something here. I cannot really speak for Turq, but to take a shot, what he says is often a lot less than what he has been assumed to have said, that is, you have over-interpreted whatever his intent might

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u" wrote: > > I think what Turq is trying to say is that ALL of life > itself, is Religion, either it is poorly practiced Religion > or Wisely practiced Religion. Au contraire, Pierre. What Turq is trying to say is that in his opinion religion is petrifi

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" wrote: > > > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: > > > > "Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The > > misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread obbajeeba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" wrote: > > > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: > > > > "Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. > > The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana > > and are h

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread wgm4u
I think what Turq is trying to say is that ALL of life itself, is Religion, either it is poorly practiced Religion or Wisely practiced Religion. Because life itself is a form of school and learning (through the experience of opposites) whose purpose is to bring all human Beings to the fulfillme

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" wrote: > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: > > "Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The > misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and are > holding on to the skin." > Or, fixating on the finger pointing at the moon,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread wgm4u
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > I had not really thought about this. I found an article on about.com > (http://atheism.about.com/od/religionnonreligion/a/spirituality.htm) that > discusses this point - it implies this distinction between spirituality

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread martyboi
Dude, is that coffee shop a little smokey this morning? Are you saying that religious people are usually dicks? > Hear hear. Either that or religion is the condom and > spirituality is the dick. > > Religions that involve a lot of costumes and dress-up > are like French ticklers. > > :-) >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi" wrote: > > Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: > > "Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. > The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana > and are holding on to the skin." Hear hear. Either that or religion is the condom a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I had not really thought about this. I found an article on about.com (http://atheism.about.com/od/religionnonreligion/a/spirituality.htm) that discusses this point - it implies this distinction between spirituality and religion is mainly an American (US) phenomenon. My question here is, if an

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Spirituality' is the bi-product of Religion.

2011-12-15 Thread martyboi
Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: "Religion is the banana skin and spirituality is the banana. The misery in the world is because we throw away the banana and are holding on to the skin."