Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Andy Ross
Martin Spott wrote: > Andrew Ross wrote: > > Here's a gedanken experiment > > A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because > it definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's > funny, The word is, in fact, german. Whether it's valid English or not is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Christian Mayer
Alex Perry wrote: > > > [... Andrew Ross wrote ...] > > > Here's a gedanken experiment [...] > > A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because it > > definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's funny, > > It is a popular word in the USA. Not sure whethe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Erik Hofman
Alex Perry wrote: >>[... Andrew Ross wrote ...] >> >>>Here's a gedanken experiment [...] >> >>A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because it >>definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's funny, > > > It is a popular word in the USA. Not sure whether t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > If the aerodynamic force changes with rotation, then the > airflow must somehow "know" that it is in a bank. It can't. Ok, so are you saying that someone else beat us to the patent on smart air particles so we can't use them? Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Progr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread John Check
On Monday 15 April 2002 09:24 am, you wrote: > > [... Andrew Ross wrote ...] > > > > > Here's a gedanken experiment [...] > > > > A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because it > > definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's funny, > > It is a popular wo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Alex Perry
> [... Andrew Ross wrote ...] > > Here's a gedanken experiment [...] > A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because it > definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's funny, It is a popular word in the USA. Not sure whether this is due to too many people

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-15 Thread Martin Spott
[... Andrew Ross wrote ...] > Here's a gedanken experiment [...] A _what_ ? Is this a valid word in your language ? I'm asking because it definitely has german roots, the word 'gedanken' That's funny, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Simon Fowler
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 09:23:32PM -0700, Andy Ross wrote: > Simon Fowler wrote: > > Andy Ross wrote: > > > I'm actually fuzzy on the real reason that high-wing aircraft have a > > > built-in dihedral-like effect. > > > > Take a look at http://www.monmouth.com/~jsd/how/htm/roll.html . . . > > Rig

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Andy Ross
Simon Fowler wrote: > Andy Ross wrote: > > I'm actually fuzzy on the real reason that high-wing aircraft have a > > built-in dihedral-like effect. > > Take a look at http://www.monmouth.com/~jsd/how/htm/roll.html . . . Right. That's basically what I meant by "fuzzy" -- I understand how the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Tony Peden
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 20:05, Simon Fowler wrote: > On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:14:54PM -0700, Andy Ross wrote: > > David Megginson wrote: > > > According to one of my flight-school texts, high-wing aircraft don't > > > usually need much dihedral on the wings because of the keel effect -- > > > most

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Alex Perry
> > To be fair, however, what many people call "unflyable" around here isn't > > anywhere near the case. The most recent JSBSim complaint, for example, > > only took two clicks of keyboard aileron to correct at climbout speeds. > > I was talking to a pilot friend of mine the other day. He was te

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Simon Fowler
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 12:14:54PM -0700, Andy Ross wrote: > David Megginson wrote: > > According to one of my flight-school texts, high-wing aircraft don't > > usually need much dihedral on the wings because of the keel effect -- > > most of the weight of the plane is below the wings and thus the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Jon Berndt
> To be fair, however, what many people call "unflyable" around here isn't > anywhere near the case. The most recent JSBSim complaint, for example, > only took two clicks of keyboard aileron to correct at climbout speeds. I was talking to a pilot friend of mine the other day. He was telling me t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: > According to one of my flight-school texts, high-wing aircraft don't > usually need much dihedral on the wings because of the keel effect -- > most of the weight of the plane is below the wings and thus the plane > will naturally tend towards level. Actually, this is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Tony Peden
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 11:28, Andy Ross wrote: > David Megginson wrote: > > Andy Ross writes: > > > All that being said, did the configuration patch for the takeoff RPMs > > > do what you want? It was better justified than the idle hack. :) > > > > The plane seems to take off OK, but there ar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: > In this case, the pull you are seeing is the engine torque. It is a > rolling moment, not a yaw, and thus you want to be correcting against > it with aileron trim, not rudder. The 172 has very little (zero, in > the current model) dihedral, and therefore there is almost

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: > One option would be to experiment to acheive a value for aileron trim > that worked well at cruise, and set that in the aircraft xml file. A > cooler option would be to make the solver do it, but that requires > code. Ah. In fact, this is exactly the problem. This trick has alre

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-14 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: > Andy Ross writes: > > All that being said, did the configuration patch for the takeoff RPMs > > do what you want? It was better justified than the idle hack. :) > > The plane seems to take off OK, but there are handling problems -- in > a 72kt climb at full power, t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-13 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: > All that being said, did the configuration patch for the takeoff RPMs > do what you want? It was better justified than the idle hack. :) The plane seems to take off OK, but there are handling problems -- in a 72kt climb at full power, the nose pulls so strongly to the left

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-11 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: > The YASim C172 idle is better -- it's down to 1000 RPM -- but it's > still about 200-300 RPM too high based on what I saw yesterday (this > is at an airfield under 400ft ASL). Yeah, it was basically a hack. There are two "core" problems that I can think of with the mo

[Flightgear-devel] YASim C172 idle

2002-04-11 Thread David Megginson
The YASim C172 idle is better -- it's down to 1000 RPM -- but it's still about 200-300 RPM too high based on what I saw yesterday (this is at an airfield under 400ft ASL). All the best, David -- David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-de