Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-04 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:11 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > >> I just want to put this in perspective: the foundation has $200,000 in > >> the bank, with guaranteed income of $100,000 a year approx. One employee > >> costs at least $70,000 per year, and depending on the role up to > >>

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Richard Stallman
GNOME is based on a philosophy, but it is not just a philosophy. It is a project to develop and maintain a desktop environment. A technical project has to make specific technical decisions. It can't favor all the options that fit the philosophy; often it has to choose an avenue and follow it. Wh

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi, 2007/12/3, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > > The questions: > > > > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if > >elected vote to spend this money on important projects? > > > >Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I could >

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Lucas Rocha
Hi, > The questions: > > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if >elected vote to spend this money on important projects? > >Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I could >certainly come up with some projects that might both increase

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 12:15 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:18 +, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > > On 12/1/07, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doing that quality control could eat some (human) resources. Also as > > John says this could easily lead to an

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread Og Maciel
On Nov 30, 2007 2:30 PM, Philip Van Hoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the foundation could setup (orchestrate) meetings (or interops > or however you want to call them) with the different teams. Gather the > right people and put them together from time to times. I agree 100% with this, and

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-03 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 18:44 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 20:30 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > > > > I think the foundation could setup (orchestrate) meetings (or interops > > or however you want to call them) with the different teams. Gather the > > right people and put

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-02 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Sorry, I'll reply briefly because my free time is limited today. I hope it will be understandable :-) Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007, à 02:51 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > Hi there, > > The questions: > > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if >elected

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-12-02 Thread Vincent Untz
Le vendredi 30 novembre 2007, à 18:42 -0700, Elijah Newren a écrit : > Hi, > > As warned about earlier in this election (by someone with better > foresight than I have), when there isn't an organized call for > questions people will fire off zillions of them at random. This puts > an unreasonable

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 12/1/07, Philip Van Hoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:18 +, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > > On 12/1/07, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Doing that quality control could eat some (human) resources. Also as > > John says this could easily lead to an uni

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:11:15 +0100 Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > >> I just want to put this in perspective: the foundation has $200,000 in > >> the bank, with guaranteed income of $100,000 a year approx. One employee > >> costs at least $70,000 per year, and depending o

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 10:18 +, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > On 12/1/07, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doing that quality control could eat some (human) resources. Also as > John says this could easily lead to an unintentioned favouritism. Unintentioned favouritism is a cheap re

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
On 12/1/07, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > > I still don't think Foundation should get involved into saying place X > > is an approbed training center, I fear that would go beyond its scope. > > But the foundation could publish a syllabus and some

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-12-01 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 18:42 -0700, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > As warned about earlier in this election (by someone with better > foresight than I have), when there isn't an organized call for > questions people will fire off zillions of them at random. This puts > an unreasonable burden on n

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Dave Neary
Alan Cox wrote: >> I just want to put this in perspective: the foundation has $200,000 in >> the bank, with guaranteed income of $100,000 a year approx. One employee >> costs at least $70,000 per year, and depending on the role up to >> $100,000 or more. >> >> Manpower is expensive :) > > American

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-12-01 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > I still don't think Foundation should get involved into saying place X > is an approbed training center, I fear that would go beyond its scope. But the foundation could publish a syllabus and some sample exams, and then licence training institutes and companie

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Work with the Membership Committee to document their practices and make > sure they perform them more consistently in future years. Miss one word and it changes the entire tone... "and help make sure". They have done a great job this year, though as a result of numerous changes to the voluntee

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
Hey On 11/30/07, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > (...) > > What will you as a candidate do to make sure we avoid this mess in the future? > I can only think of asking for question much sooner or proposing some topics under which to fill questions. But honestly, I don't know if an

Re: Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
> What will you as a candidate do to make sure we avoid this mess in the > future? Work with the Membership Committee to document their practices and make sure they perform them more consistently in future years. During the current term, I have already made that you won't have to deal with this

Question for the candidates [Was: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates]

2007-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, As warned about earlier in this election (by someone with better foresight than I have), when there isn't an organized call for questions people will fire off zillions of them at random. This puts an unreasonable burden on not only the candidates who feel obligated to spend time responding to

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 20:30 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > > I think the foundation could setup (orchestrate) meetings (or interops > or however you want to call them) with the different teams. Gather the > right people and put them together from time to times. The foundation tries to do that, a

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Alan Cox
> I just want to put this in perspective: the foundation has $200,000 in > the bank, with guaranteed income of $100,000 a year approx. One employee > costs at least $70,000 per year, and depending on the role up to > $100,000 or more. > > Manpower is expensive :) American manpower is expensive. _

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 20:28 +, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > Hey > > On 11/30/07, Bastian, Waldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the > > title: > > > >"GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam" > > > > > > > > > > If th

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
Hey On 11/30/07, Bastian, Waldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the > title: > > >"GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam" > > > > > > > If the examination is offered by a third party, then I would say they > > are violating t

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if >elected vote to spend this money on important projects? I just want to put this in perspective: the foundation has $200,000 in the bank, with guaranteed income of $100,000 a year approx. One

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:07 -0800, Bastian, Waldo wrote: > So what should the foundation be doing to address this issue in your > opinion? I think the foundation could setup (orchestrate) meetings (or interops or however you want to call them) with the different teams. Gather the right people and

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Bastian, Waldo
, November 30, 2007 10:29 AM To: Behdad Esfahbod Cc: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:52 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Anyway, my short answer to most of your mail is that every team / group > is only mandated to do whatev

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:52 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > Anyway, my short answer to most of your mail is that every team / group > is only mandated to do whatever the actual people doing the work like to > do. No one knows better than me as the Pango maintainer that what Pango > needs most.

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Hi Philip, So you put the candidates under moral obligation to read your mail by calling it question for candidates, and then call them insane for reading it all the way down... Not going to answer point by point. I'm also surprised that you have so much time to write such a long mail for, I ass

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 00:43 -0800, Bastian, Waldo wrote: > > > o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the > title: > > >"GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam" > > > > > > > If the examination is offered by a third party, then I would say they > > are violating the

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 00:43 -0800, Bastian, Waldo wrote: > > > o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the > title: > > >"GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam" > > > > > > > If the examination is offered by a third party, then I would say they > > are violating the

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 02:51 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: > Hi there, > > The questions: > > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if >elected vote to spend this money on important projects? > >Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I c

RE: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-30 Thread Bastian, Waldo
> > o. What is your opinion on an examination that could carry the title: > >"GNOME Mobile certified software developer exam" > > > > If the examination is offered by a third party, then I would say they > are violating the trademark guidelines :). > But if you suggest that GNOME via the Founda

Re: Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-29 Thread Diego Escalante Urrelo
Hey, On 11/30/07, Philip Van Hoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > The questions: > > o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if >elected vote to spend this money on important projects? > >Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I c

Money spending, questions for the candidates

2007-11-29 Thread Philip Van Hoof
Hi there, The questions: o. Given that the Foundation of GNOME has plenty of money, will you if elected vote to spend this money on important projects? Being mostly interested in mobile targets and GNOME Mobile, I could certainly come up with some projects that might both increase de