Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread Eric Smith
; continue its evolution. That's the whole world view as far as I can tell. > > Marcus > From: Friam on behalf of Roger Critchlow > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:09:06 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Tu

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 6:09:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) I guess the point is that politicians are guaranteed to try these lies out, to the limit that their consciences (assuming ther

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
-- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Roger Critchlow < > r...@elf.org> > *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 11:15:50 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about &g

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
f of Roger Critchlow Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 11:15:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) The lies that bind political coalitions together, the art of the possible fiction which might be

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
The lies that bind political coalitions together, the art of the possible fiction which might be brought to horrible life, ... -- rec -- On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 12:41 PM, gⅼеɳ ☣ wrote: > But did the Mexican Repatriation also include things like rape, burning > villages, and indiscriminant execu

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-15 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
But did the Mexican Repatriation also include things like rape, burning villages, and indiscriminant execution? I can imagine it did, but would rather not believe it. It's still so jarring to me, given the cultural appropriation of Buddhism in Western developed countries, to hear phrases like

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Steven A Smith
Right here in River City (well, mostly California, but throughout the US) the 1930's "Mexican Repatriation Act" deported on the order of 1-2M US Citizens because of their ethnicity (along with a smaller number of non-Citizens more recently immigrated from Mexico), qualifying for our modern defi

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Roger Critchlow
Hmm, my NPR station was talking about how Myanmar is committed to the lie that there is no Rohingya minority to be persecuted, only illegal Bengali immigrants who are being deported back to Bangladesh, this despite historical evidence that the earliest Bengali settlements began in the 15th century

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Nope. However, it's important to realize that the metaphors of the shambling zombies (Romero's and The Walking Dead's) are substantively different from those metaphors of the fast-moving zombies, especially the ones that learn to think and can sometimes be cured (Helix, Resident Evil, Z, Game o

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
nned immigrants coming to take away the white people's jobs, destroy their culture, and steal their statues. What do I know! Marcus From: Friam on behalf of gⅼеɳ ☣ Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:44:02 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Tur

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Nah. I prefer the relatively common metaphor of the zombie as a typical shambling idiot who is dangerous precisely because he doesn't think and can infect you with his lack of thought. Typical red state voters *are* the zombies. The Walking Dead, as a TV show, is about how those of us who are

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
iam on behalf of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) Have any of you been watching the t.v. Hulu series of Margaret Atwood's "The Handm

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Cautionary tales are nothing to be afraid of. I think this is something completely misunderstood by people who don't watch enough horror movies. You don't watch The Walking Dead and think "Don't open that door! Don't open the door" You watch it and *know* that if you were there, you'd op

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Steven A Smith
Merle - By some measure, didn't we just experience a "bloodless" revolution just under a year ago? Didn't the 1% and the Evangelicals enlist the mainstream Conservatives to rally the unwashed masses to help them put a manipulable (if not predictable or exactly controllable) clown on deck to

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Merle Lefkoff
p's dishonest won't convince anyone on either side. So perhaps we >>> should get beyond that." >>> >>> Yeah, time for lawyers, boycotts, and stuff like that. >>> >>> >>> Marcus >>> -- >>> *Fr

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Well, Republicans aren't so bad. It's the conservative wing of their party that's bad. Similarly, Democrats aren't as bad as the Bernie-bros make them out. It's the conservative wing of the Democrats that's bad. So, to be clear, I like the majority of the Republicans I know. And I like the

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Russ Abbott
. So perhaps we >> should get beyond that." >> >> Yeah, time for lawyers, boycotts, and stuff like that. >> >> >> Marcus >> -- >> *From:* Friam on behalf of Russ Abbott < >> russ.abb...@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, Septem

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Merle Lefkoff
esn't matter to me how hard the feelings are or >>> how deep the divisions go.I think that is bad advice because it rewards >>> the bully, and encourages him/them to do it again and again, knowing that >>> the opposition with chicken-out in end in the name of civility. So, unlike >>> Steve, I&#

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Ha! Perfectamundo! On 09/14/2017 10:16 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > /*Illegitimi non carborundum*/ -- ☣ gⅼеɳ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfis

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
*Illegitimi non carborundum* On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:05 AM, gⅼеɳ ☣ wrote: > Roberts says: "The country is on the wrong track. (Everyone believes this > one)." > > This sentence and the parenthetical convinced me of what RussA's already > said, that Roberts is too trapped by his fear-based con

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Roberts says: "The country is on the wrong track. (Everyone believes this one)." This sentence and the parenthetical convinced me of what RussA's already said, that Roberts is too trapped by his fear-based conservatism to see the asymmetry. What Roberts is saying is utter garbage. Everyone? S

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus > Daniels > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:21 AM > *To:* Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about > it) > > > > Owen, > > > > O

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Russ Abbott
ss Abbott < > russ.abb...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:25:43 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about > it) > Now that I've actually read the ar

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Russ Abbott
t; Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14,

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
From: Friam on behalf of Russ Abbott Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:25:43 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) Now that I've actually read the article I wouldn't change what I

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Douglass Carmichael
Behalf Of Marcus Daniels > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:21 AM > To: Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) > > Owen, > > On several occasions over the years, I have be

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Nick Thompson
om] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) There was a good TED talk <https://www.ted.

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Russ Abbott
about a possible advanced agenda of Christian >> conservatives: "It wouldn't last very long and would, I hope, lead to >> civil war, which they will lose, but for which it would be a great pleasure >> to take part." >> >> Marcus >> >> >&g

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Gillian Densmore
What do we do about it? Their's a problem right? Looks like a bunch of issues. How do we go about improving things? How do we do we start being helpful? be inpsiring and joy-full? How do we say wups! And better yet When are we going to say yea we've been jerks to each other? Why is housing and f

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Russ Abbott
a great pleasure > to take part." > > Marcus > > > -------------- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson < > nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:11:26 AM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexi

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
dfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:21 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) Owen, On several occasions over the years, I have been advised by `neural third parties' that the conte

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Steven A Smith
Owen - Thanks for the link to something I would otherwise not have found. I particularly appreciated his quote of Yeats, and cherry-picking from his other text, I was particularly taken by: /subtlety is not our strong suit as human beings. We like simple stories without too much nuance.

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-14 Thread Nick Thompson
sh.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:21 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it) Owen, On several occasions over the years, I have been advised by `neural third parties' that the co

Re: [FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
shonest. In the ternary world of politics, the `don't care' folks are in the crossfire, and that is appropriate. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of Owen Densmore Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:04:42 PM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIA

[FRIAM] The World Turned Upside Down (and what to do about it)

2017-09-13 Thread Owen Densmore
Medium, my current outlet of choice, has an interesting "story" (Medium deals in Stories, not Tech nor Politics nor ...). It echos a lot of what we've been dealing with. ​​ https://medium.com/@russroberts/the-world-turned-upside-down-and-what-to-do- about-it-2dc27d1cf5f5 ​Somewhat dark, but aw