Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
Whatever you say, Glen. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:22 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > Douglas Roberts wrote at 03/29/2011 09:33 AM: > > People don't want to do the right thing. > > There is no evidence for this conclusion. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com > > > ==

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Douglas Roberts wrote at 03/29/2011 09:33 AM: > People don't want to do the right thing. There is no evidence for this conclusion. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv M

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
t; Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:26 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 > > McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning > > This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these > sites: > friam.org > > What the maj

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
age- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:26 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message co

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Behalf Of Sarbajit Roy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:26 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org What the m

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
Good point, Carl. I really should have said, "In the absence of a functioning moral compass, and a modicum of intelligence..." On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Carl Tollander wrote: > Panic over intangibles is the right thing? Promise? > > > On 3/29/11 11:30 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > In

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Carl Tollander
Panic over intangibles is the right thing? Promise? On 3/29/11 11:30 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: In the absence of a functioning moral compass, I suppose this is a workable definition. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy > wrote: What the majority of

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
In the absence of a functioning moral compass, I suppose this is a workable definition. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > What the majority of people do IS the right thing. Wisdom of crowds and so > on. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Roberts > wrote: > > Gee

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Sarbajit Roy
What the majority of people do IS the right thing. Wisdom of crowds and so on. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Geeze, Nick. > You can't make people do the right thing. People have to want to do the > right thing. People don't want to do the right thing. (Speaking in

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
> > Are there limits to this principle? Do you really want your surgeon to > feel the pain of every incision he makes? > > > > Nick > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Nicholas Thompson
here limits to this principle? Do you really want your surgeon to feel the pain of every incision he makes? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:19 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Douglas Roberts
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Of course, that's the whole issue. Do we let faceless bureaucrats figure > these things out and impose burdensome regulations? Yes, consistently. > Or do we let gangs of rapacious attorneys sue for ruinous damages after the > fact?

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Roger Critchlow
Of course, that's the whole issue. Do we let faceless bureaucrats figure these things out and impose burdensome regulations? Or do we let gangs of rapacious attorneys sue for ruinous damages after the fact? Or is there another way to force consideration of public good into decisions about privat

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-29 Thread Dale Schumacher
f exporting externalities to the neighborhoods and >> nations of the powerless has to stop.  We have to work to find the true cost >> of products and that needs to be reflected in the price.  Then and only then >> does competition rise above exploitation.  I realize that this

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-26 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
sh.com Subject: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 Clarifying my statement about " we need to get wind turbine price tag to include pollution mitigation at bare minimum" in response to V. Burachynsky's response: the "we" was an inadvertent slip. I work with many environmental types and

[FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-25 Thread peggy miller
Clarifying my statement about " we need to get wind turbine price tag to include pollution mitigation at bare minimum" in response to V. Burachynsky's response: the "we" was an inadvertent slip. I work with many environmental types and have for years who have pushed to get the true cost of producin

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
y the way, what more do you need to know to demonstrate that cigarette > smoking has associated health care costs? > > > > Nick Thompson, > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Carl Tollander
n Behalf Of *Vladimyr Burachynsky *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:21 PM *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the facts. Perh

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
e costs? > > > > Nick Thompson, > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of *Vladimyr Burachynsky > *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:21 PM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Appl

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Carl Tollander
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Vladimyr Burachynsky *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:21 PM *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' *S

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Russ Abbott
redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of *Vladimyr Burachynsky > *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:21 PM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 > > > > It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the fact

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
27; Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 It appears that your conclusion was made independent of the facts. Perhaps your conclusion serves some unidentified agenda, could you explain who WE is and how the PRICE TAG is adjusted to effect a specific end? I ecall how the price of cigarettes in Canad

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Douglas Roberts
t; *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 > > > > Thanks for input from a number of you on the magnet/toxins/windmill issue. > Seems like we need to get wind turbine price tag to include pollution > mitigation at bare minimum. > > -- > > Peggy M

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
increased health care costs From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of peggy miller Sent: March-24-11 6:12 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22 Thanks for input from a number of you on the magnet/toxins/windmill issue. Seems

[FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

2011-03-24 Thread peggy miller
Thanks for input from a number of you on the magnet/toxins/windmill issue. Seems like we need to get wind turbine price tag to include pollution mitigation at bare minimum. -- Peggy Miller, owner/OEO Highland Winds wix.com/peggymiller/highlandwinds Shop is at 1520 S. 7th St. W. (Just west of Russ