DJ Delorie wrote:
First, make sure auto-enforce DRC is *disabled* so it will let you connect
to something outside your net.
Second, draw a trace/line out to that rectangle/polygon.
Third, use the j key to join the trace/line to the rectangle/polygon.
If you happen to have through-pins in that
Moin.
The screenshot page on gpleda.org is a bit outdated
http://www.gpleda.org/screenshots.html
* screen fonts are much nicer now
* there is no screenshot of a pcb layout
* xgsch2pcb is missing
* gerbv is not mentioned
* There is no screenshot of gschem with light background.
I'd
In gpleda.org the tools page lists documentation as one of the core
tools of geda/gaf: http://www.gpleda.org/tools/index.html
This item links to a page that merely says under construction
http://www.gpleda.org/tools/docs/index.html
Imagine a newbie looking for a new EDA application
On Tuesday 02 March 2010, Peter Clifton wrote:
Gnucap is another advanced simulation environment which might
be interesting. It is different to spice, but can accept
spice syntax and models etc.. Again, milage will vary as to
how well it works with a given model - and it is by no means
a
Just did a fresh download of pcb from git.
autogen.sh, configure and make all ran fine. However, make
install failed due to a missing epsf.tex. I had to install the package
texlive-generic-recommended to get this file.
-- The configure script should check for the presence of this file.
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:18:10 -0500, al davis wrote:
Unfortunately, progress has
been hampered by a development team that is far too small,
IMHO, a big obstacle to widespread use of gnucap in geda related projects
is missing integration with gschem. A feature to easily export a subset
of the
Is there a way to make a square polygon with round edges in pcb?
One more unrelated question. Is there a way to place vias with a
default soldermask clearance less than 0?
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Is there a way to make a square polygon with round edges in pcb?
Manually? Sure. Use a zero-length line to form the round bits on an
otherwise 8-sided polygon.
One more unrelated question. Is there a way to place vias with a
default soldermask clearance less than 0?
Soldermask opening
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Just did a fresh download of pcb from git.
autogen.sh, configure and make all ran fine. However, make
install failed due to a missing epsf.tex. I had to install the package
texlive-generic-recommended to get this file.
-- The configure script should check for the
I've noticed in my version of gschem (1.6.0.20091004) some of the
symbols (like npn-1.sym) have filled arrows. Is it possible to create
these by means other than copying them from a symbol that already has
them, or maybe editing the symbol source? I'm looking in the add menu,
and don't see
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:18:56AM -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote:
Is there a way to make a square polygon with round edges in pcb?
Not to my knowledge, I have done it by cutting the corners at 45 degrees
and adding a non polycon-clearing zero length track at the corner (in one
case I also used
As noted in a different post, I just recompiled pcb from git.
Unfortunately, neither git-head nor Peter Cliftons before_pours branch
process action scripts when printing from the command line. The main
procedure of pcb simply exports before action scripts are read. This is a
known bug since
Sorry that was a mis-statement.
Is there anyway to place vias that have a soldermask clearance MORE than 0?
By default, when I place a via, it has zero soldermask clearance.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote:
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:18:56AM -0800, Anthony
Yes, I feel ignored by the developers. No, I am not happy about it.
I agree. Those mean developers! Why can't they spend more time on
PCB and less time with their families and jobs? They should be
ashamed of themselves, not giving free software priority over things
like food and shelter.
Is there anyway to place vias that have a soldermask clearance MORE
than 0?
The code for inserting new vias has a zero hard-coded in the function
call (action.c, look for CreateNewVia).
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Why is that?
The board house I use (4pcb) requires soldermask clearance for vias.
I'm sure they are not the only ones.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:49 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
Is there anyway to place vias that have a soldermask clearance MORE
than 0?
The code for inserting new
Hi,
I drew a circuit in gEDA. I have a small problem. When wires go over
another they just go over. I want to draw them with a bump in
positions where the wire goes over one over. How can I get this done?
Thanks in advance.
--
W.H.Kalpa Pathum
...
Why is that?
Because nobody's changed it to do otherwise?
The board house I use (4pcb) requires soldermask clearance for vias.
I use 4pcb and they do not require soldermask clearance for vias.
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I just submitted a board to them a few weeks ago.
When I uploaded my gerbers I got hundreds of warnings for having no
soldermask clearance.
I added their minimum clearance and all of the warnings were gone.
Maybe technically since they were warnings its not required, but I
didn't want to take a
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:47:55AM -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote:
Sorry that was a mis-statement.
Is there anyway to place vias that have a soldermask clearance MORE than 0?
What I typically do is to se all parameters of a via to be what I want,
and then type a on top of the via to perform
I think their tools don't know the difference between vias and pins,
and if you have any vias bigger than the smallest pin, it thinks you
have tented pins.
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On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 12:29 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote:
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Just did a fresh download of pcb from git.
autogen.sh, configure and make all ran fine. However, make
install failed due to a missing epsf.tex. I had to install the package
texlive-generic-recommended to get
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a bit
of handholding as I go along.
Thanks,
Jim.
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 17:25 +, Phil Frost wrote:
I've noticed in my version of gschem (1.6.0.20091004) some of the
symbols (like npn-1.sym) have filled arrows. Is it possible to create
these by means other than copying them from a symbol that already has
them, or maybe editing the symbol
Are you willing to work with chinese?
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Jim [1]...@k4gvo.com wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last
time I laid up a board I used a drafting
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 13:30 -0500, Jim wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a bit
of handholding as I go along.
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:30:14 -0500
Jim j...@k4gvo.com wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a bit
of handholding as
Peter Clifton wrote:
An easier option might be to try finding the file with
kpsewhich epsf.tex
Which on my box returns:
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/generic/epsf/epsf.tex
Regards
That would be my approach.
Peter
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On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 23:27 +0530, W.H. Kalpa Pathum wrote:
Hi,
I drew a circuit in gEDA. I have a small problem. When wires go over
another they just go over. I want to draw them with a bump in
positions where the wire goes over one over. How can I get this done?
Thanks in advance.
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 12:37 -0600, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
Note: they require a hand-written fax on the first order (security
feature, no doubt).
Fax, how quaint..
(I think there is a fax machine somewhere in our office.. but I doubt
they will be common in 10 years time!)
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On 03/08/2010 11:30 AM, Jim wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a bit of
handholding as I go along.
If you're in US
If this is your first board, I'd go with a shop that is reasonably fast and
known for quality work.
Fast because:
* this is your first board, and you are excited to have it.
* this is your first board, and now is the time to make mistakes quickly.
Quality work because:
* this is your first
I can only recommend the company that I use to make my pcb's.
[1]fz...@126.com from huizhou in china that is very easy to work with
and very professional at a good price. usually less then 2 dollars a
board for samples.
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:57 AM, Dave N6NZ [2]n...@arrl.net
I've used 4pcb (US, via www.barebones.com, www.33each.com, and other
specials) as well as www.pcb-pool.com (EU).
@126.com
I hate this ISP, but only because of their non-stop spamming of usenet
(mostly for pcb fab work!). They're on my permanent blacklist and I
refuse to do business with
[1]126.com is just a email like [2]gmail.com, what are you talking
about?
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:08 AM, DJ Delorie [3...@delorie.com wrote:
I've used 4pcb (US, via [4]www.barebones.com, [5]www.33each.com, and
other
specials) as well as [6]www.pcb-pool.com (EU).
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 13:30 -0500, Jim wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last
time I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need
a bit of handholding as I go along.
In my
I would also go with fast and quality for the reasons that Dave stated.
I would use PCB Express or Advanced Circuits. Highest quality
boards in 2-5 days (depending on service).
If you have more than one design panelize and
cut them yourself. If you have friends that want PCBs
group all your
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a bit of
handholding as I go along.
I had my OSDCU board fabbed at Sierra Circuits
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:37:57 +, Peter Clifton wrote:
I'm far more likely to be able to suggest a fab-house in the UK than
(say) Germany.
In that case, others on the list can jump in ;-)
---(kaimartin)---(who gets his prototypes done by http://basista.com )
--
Kai-Martin Knaak
On 03/08/2010 12:28 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
---(kaimartin)---(who gets his prototypes done by http://basista.com )
Odd - that resolves to a furniture store for me. Diversification!
Eric
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:48 AM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
Yes, I feel ignored by the developers. No, I am not happy about it.
I agree. Those mean developers! Why can't they spend more time on
PCB and less time with their families and jobs? They should be
ashamed of themselves,
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:31:47 -0700, Eric Brombaugh wrote:
(who gets his prototypes done by http://basista.com )
Odd - that resolves to a furniture store for me. Diversification!
Sorry, I should have checked. Their domain is genuinely German:
http://basista.de
On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Are there any fab shops that would be gentle with a very new, very
inexperienced PCB designer? OH and reasonable for a prototype. Last
time
I laid up a board I used a drafting table and mylar. I may need a
bit of
handholding as I go
I agree that PCB needs more grunt work from the (we) primary
developers. At this time, I rarely have time to even work on my own
pet projects. The last couple of code sprints, I've done nothing
*but* bug/patch reviews, since I understand it's an important part of
a project.
So what can we do?
On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Steven Michalske wrote:
Ahhh... OK, I get it. Yes, my build brings up the X server. But
other than the start-up time, that doesn't bother me. X11 is
preinstalled as of 10.6 (or maybe 10.5, I forget which) so
* A group of non-developers watch for bug reports, either in the
mailing list or the SF tracker.
How good are people at actually logging bugs on the SF tracker?
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How good are people at actually logging bugs on the SF tracker?
I suspect our lack of attention to them has prompted them to be less
good at reporting them there.
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:50:04 +
Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 12:37 -0600, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
Note: they require a hand-written fax on the first order (security
feature, no doubt).
Fax, how quaint..
I know, I always thought it was a little odd of
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 17:40 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
rant=on
I filed a bug report, I provided a patch on this list, I nagged twice on
on this about it. How come, the patch is still not applied to the source?
What should I do to get this annoying bug fixed?
Yes, I feel ignored by the
Touching hidnogui.c to remove the CRASH; statement - why is that
needed?
hidnogui was designed to be a template for new HIDs, so everything
crashes when called - that's how you know which function needs to be
implemented next. Perhaps we need two hids - hidnogui for
command-line use, and
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
How good are people at actually logging bugs on the SF tracker?
I suspect our lack of attention to them has prompted them to be less
good at reporting them there.
I submitted my first PCB bug report to SF last month
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:10 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
So what can we do? How can we get people with *less* experience more
involved in solving this problem? That opens up the labor pool so
to speak, letting the main developers work on the hard problems.
How about this idea:
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 16:41 -0500, Stephen Ecob wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
How good are people at actually logging bugs on the SF tracker?
I suspect our lack of attention to them has prompted them to be less
good at reporting them there.
Please can someone set up a mailing list (or point me at the existing
one if there is such a thing) which tracks bugmail from PCB's
sourceforge tracker.
I see the gEDA and gerbv bugs which appear in their respective bug
mailing lists, and I find that is usually a first step towards me being
aware
Since I'm in the mood to share my opinions today... :)
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
It might seem unfair that we're (or I am) trying to third party
contributions to a higher standard than some of PCB's existing legacy
code, but assuming it doesn't
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
Or - in my ideal word, can we just dump the crappy sourceforge bug
trackers and switch to Launchpad??? (Pretty please).
I'd like to add my vote for anything but sourceforge to track bugs and
patches. :)
Jared
The patch looks good to me (although I've only skimmed it). It might
warrant a definition of what a freckle is, if that term isn't use
elsewhere.
It looks OK to me (assuming a comment explaining *why* it's needed is
added) but I wonder if one of the other optimizations is creating
these
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Jared Casper jaredcas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
Or - in my ideal word, can we just dump the crappy sourceforge bug
trackers and switch to Launchpad??? (Pretty please).
I'd like to add my vote for
Definitely +1!
Greetings
Denis
Am 08.03.2010, 23:15 Uhr, schrieb Jared Casper jaredcas...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
Or - in my ideal word, can we just dump the crappy sourceforge bug
trackers and switch to Launchpad??? (Pretty please).
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:17 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
The patch looks good to me (although I've only skimmed it). It might
warrant a definition of what a freckle is, if that term isn't use
elsewhere.
It looks OK to me (assuming a comment explaining *why* it's needed is
added)
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 12:29:04 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote:
make install failed due to a missing
epsf.tex. I had to install the package texlive-generic-recommended to
get this file. -- The configure script should check for the presence
of this file.
any idea of the right way to check?
The
I'd volunteer to provide an update. However, this page is not part of the
wiki. How would I go about to contribute?
Post some updated screenshots. Please make sure that they scale
reasonably to something thumbnailed sized or such.
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When djopt is then run, it splits the overshooting line to create a
good line plus a 0.01 thou long freckle.
Perhaps it shouldn't do that, then :-)
But keep the other code too, in case someone else does it.
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On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 17:41 -0500, Ales Hvezda wrote:
I'd volunteer to provide an update. However, this page is not part of the
wiki. How would I go about to contribute?
Post some updated screenshots. Please make sure that they scale
reasonably to something thumbnailed sized or such.
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Just did a fresh download of pcb from git.
autogen.sh, configure and make all ran fine. However, make
install failed due to a missing epsf.tex. I had to install the package
texlive-generic-recommended to get this file.
-- The configure script should check for the
Hi again, I was on a trip so sorry for the delay.
Respect for the above comments I make some tests on other hardware.
My laptop hardware (1 processor):
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 Mobile processor
CPU speed: 2.4 GHz
FSB: 1066 MHz
L2 cache: 3MB
RAM: 4GB
OS: Ubuntu
Peter Clifton wrote:
Please can someone set up a mailing list (or point me at the existing
one if there is such a thing) which tracks bugmail from PCB's
sourceforge tracker.
I see the gEDA and gerbv bugs which appear in their respective bug
mailing lists, and I find that is usually a first step
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
When djopt is then run, it splits the overshooting line to create a
good line plus a 0.01 thou long freckle.
Perhaps it shouldn't do that, then :-)
But keep the other code too, in case someone else does it.
OK, here's an
I submitted my first PCB bug report to SF last month (#2946254),
and
shortly after added a patch that fixed the problem. I must admit
that
the lack of response was discouraging - but I fully appreciate
that
the developers are time poor (I am also!).
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Harry Eaton bump...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
It looks to me like the SQ() macro risks integer overflow when squaring
the lengths.
Thank you, good point.
Here's an updated patch that uses Manhattan distance instead - for the
tiny lengths involved it should
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