LOL know problem Ross ;)
On 8/17/10 1:46 AM, "Ross Gardler" wrote:
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On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> repo
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> From: Ross Gardler
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:14:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>
> On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:53, Joe Sc
Sorry damned iPhone autocorrect. First word should be "I like"
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On 17 Aug 2010, at 09:38, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
> reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name
Unlike the observer role. It's very close to the current signing off of board
reports by mentors but forces them to do a little more than put there name to a
piece of electronic paper.
Personally I imagined my binding vote, as a mentor, to indicate a) the project
debs want this tongi ahead and
10, at 10:46 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
> From: Noel J. Bergman
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an
On 17 Aug 2010, at 03:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Noel J. Bergman
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>>
>> G
Sorry if I'm late to the party, but my 2 cents...
The more I read about this, the more I latch onto Justin's "Observers" notion.
As a non-Apache Member, non-IPMC, PPMC member for OODT, I feel like I am
qualified to vote on a release in the sense that I am closer to the code than
Justin (sorry t
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> You know when to vote and *how* to vote. I see no reason to deny your vote.
Of course. It's always seemed awkward if you can't contribute
technically to suddenly have a binding vote. I'm sure if I *wanted*
to learn how to build something wit
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> So basically you are moving more towards Joe's proposal, that the PPMC would
> have the binding VOTEs in e.g., new committers/PMC members, and on releases?
> Of course, with the caveats below, as you mention, i.e., the observers c
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> Hey Justin,
>
> Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
>
>> See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
>> honestly don't feel that I deserve a "vote" on OODT releases. I've
>> known yo
Hey Justin,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. My comments below:
>
> See, here's where I get a bit discomforted by this entire process: I
> honestly don't feel that I deserve a "vote" on OODT releases. I've
> known you and Dave for long enough that I have no concerns advising
> the OODT
[ CCing gene...@incubator as I think I can now place my finger a bit
as to why I'm discomforted with Greg's proposal in the OODT context ;
and more importantly, another potential experiment at the end; leaving
context in for those on gene...@incubator ]
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Mattmann, C
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
>> I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
>> Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
>> done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and knowledge of what
>> the
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:53, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> It's optimized for success while making mentors potentially responsible for
> failure (iow a project with crappy mentors will fail no matter how much they
> grok apache).
Fair assessment, but those *are* the projects that I'm looking at.
Thos
Greg Stein wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Greg Stein wrote:
>>> Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
>>> *three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times).
>> How does that differ from the current system (given the assumption of 3+
PMC
>> Members), exc
46 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
- Original Message
From: Noel J. Bergman
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
Greg Stein wrote:
Using this model decentralize
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:31, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message
>
>> From: Noel J. Bergman
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
>> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>>
>> G
Hey Guys,
> I suspect the OODT guys might want to try this (it has four ASF
> Members as Mentors who could comprise the PMC). Subversion would have
> done this, based on my own thoughts/experiences and knowledge of what
> the ASF needs/wants.
+1 from me with my OODT hat on.
Also, I like Greg's p
- Original Message
> From: Noel J. Bergman
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:00:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Radical revamp (was: an experiment)
>
> Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > Using this model decentralizes the process
>
> So
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 22:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
>> Make the podling a TLP comprised of *only* ASF Members, with at least
>> *three* minimum (preferably more, to deal with idle times). The
>> podling committers are invited onto the priv...@$podling.apache.org
>> maili
Greg Stein wrote:
> Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> > I view this as potentially the crux of the problem - people who aren't
> > stakeholders in the community shouldn't have a say. Right now, they
> > feel they do. So, if we want to mandate at least 3 mentors - fine,
> > but that must come at the cos
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:45, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> And if the Mentors aren't being active, voting, etc., then *that* is what
>> needs to be addressed.
>
> As I've repeatedly stated before (here and elsewhere), in the podlings
> I'v
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