Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
To come back on the discussion why mcast matters for IPv6 while bcast does not for IPv4: - IPv6 uses heavily mcast while in IPv4 (ND is quite chatty) - IPv6 uses many more addresses than IPv4 (hence even more chatty) A couple of us running very large (more than 1 STA) WiFi network have experim

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
To: Mikael Abrahamsson > Cc: Homenet > Subject: Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair] > > > I don't see how you can claim that ISIS can't use multicast on wifi > > because multicast on wifi doesn't work, > > I have never claimed that. Bab

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
sorry, address typo. again. IMHO, a better place for this discussion than homenet is Mboned, for example in conjunction with evolving draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement. I do not particularily like the scope either of the discussion in homenet or in the draft in MBoned, because bo

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
IMHO, a better place for this discussion than homenet is Mboned, for example in conjunction with evolving draft-mcbride-mboned-wifi-mcast-problem-statement. I do not particularily like the scope either of the discussion in homenet or in the draft in MBoned, because both only look at the problems,

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Hartog, F.T.H. (Frank) den
...@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:21 AM To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: Homenet Subject: Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair] > I don't see how you can claim that ISIS can't use multicast on wifi > because multicast on wifi doesn't work, I ha

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I don't see how you can claim that ISIS can't use multicast on wifi > because multicast on wifi doesn't work, I have never claimed that. Babel uses multicast on wifi. (Once again, Mikael, I request that you stop misrepresenting my position.) I think that the multicast reduction technique used

Re: [homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: That's an overstatement. IPv6 works just fine over 802.11, it just From what I heard in v6ops, it doesn't work well for larger settings like conferences, at least not without multicast reduction techniques. So I'd say it suffers from the exact

[homenet] 802.11 is just fine for IPv6 [was: Despair]

2015-08-07 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> However, I do think that 802.11 needs to point out to its members that if > they don't implement assured multicast replication, IP doesn't work > properly. That's an overstatement. IPv6 works just fine over 802.11, it just suffers from increased multicast packet loss and lower rate. I don't th