Dear all ,
My horn's bearings are extremely noisy . Any suggestions ?
Alon
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--- Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Feb 5, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Kent Spielmann wrote:
The 4th (thumb) valve seems odd as it is exactly
the
same length as the 1st valve. so it lowers the
pitch
by a full step.
It should be somewhere in between the length of the
first and second
Its very useful as a transposing valve when playing from Eb horn parts.
Paul
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From: Kent Spielmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Need Bb Single Horn Advice
--- Dan Phillips [EMAIL
Greetings -
When I balance the ease of holding down a valve while doing the rest of
the fingerings for reading an Eb horn part
as if it were an F horn part with simply playing an Eb horn part, I come up
with a level of difficulty of 10 for the
former and a level of difficulty of 0.001 for the
Hi. The use of a whole step thumb valve is not all that unusual.
Years ago many horns came with an H inset to extend the A or stop valve
to a whole step. Peter Damm used a single B horn with a whole step
thumb valve. He tuned it a little bit flat and tuned the first valve a
little bit
Assuming there are no loose screws to be tightened and the rotors are
properly seated with little or no vertical play (this adjustment is best
done by a competent repair person), then the problem is probably just worn
parts. You may be able to hold off the inevitable rebuild by using Hetman
In a message dated 2/6/06 9:03:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can
be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for
stopping, the pitch is flat.
Perhaps the only explanation is that
At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote:
--- Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
valve slides, since stopping on the Bb horn raises
the pitch more than a half step.
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st.
It is likely
Okay, I missed one detail.
At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote:
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st.
On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends
the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone
In a message dated 2/6/06 11:43:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which extends
the stopping slide from 3/4 tone to a full tone
The short removable section that is present on most Bb horns is an extension
to lengthen the A
Hi Alon,
The most common cause of the noise you describe is end play, that is, the
ability of the rotor to move vertically in the casing. You can demonstrate
this by holding the rotor by the stop arm and pushing it up. If the play is
not too great you can fix it by using a heavier oil, but it
If the bearing set is loose enough to clatter, the valve wear is
proceeding at a much higher rate. Also, if the rotor can drift that far
in the casing, it guarantees gaps are going to exist that exceed the
film forming capabilities of the oil/water lubricating emulsion, and
air leaks result.
In a message dated 2/6/2006 9:04:08 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st. It can
be used as an altenate 1st valve, and when used for
stopping, the pitch is flat.
Hi,
Are
Hi.
Alon wrote.
My horn's bearings are extremely noisy . Any suggestions ?
Earplugs?!
(Sorry)
Graham
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Sorry, but this is incorrect. With a whole tone fourth valve you can
switch to Ab, not A. An A valve is a half step and is shorter than a
stop valve and is the same as the second valve.
CORdially, Paul Mansur
On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 12:44 PM, John Kowalchuk wrote:
On Bb horns
As I mentioned before, Peter Damm played this type of horn a lot. The
four and three combination provided a substitute for the open F horn
set of partials including a nice low c and g sounding more like an F
horn. Peter's horn was a Moennig and is what he played at the East
Lansing workshop
As a person who used a Paxman single Bb with F
extension as my main horn, and a King single Bb as
my back up horn for a couple of years in college, I
offer the following observations.
First of all, yes, the stop valve slide on a King
Bb horn is longer than those on other makes of
single Bb
John Kowalchuk wrote:
Okay, I missed one detail.
At 07:03 AM 2/6/06 -0800, Kent Spielmann wrote:
This is what I thought. However on this horn the 4th
is indeed exactly the same length as the 1st.
On Bb horns with an A/+ stop valve, there is a short section which
extends
the stopping slide
In a message dated 2/6/06 3:31:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
've never seen
a 5V Bb with the Bb/Ab setup you describe
Isn't the King Bb horn he was describing a 4 valve horn?
Paul Navarro
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In a message dated 2/6/2006 11:19:21 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't the King Bb horn he was describing a 4 valve horn?
Paul Navarro
Hi Paul,
Yes. ... the brain fa*ts seem to be getting more frequent
these days. Thanks for the correction. Hope to
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