Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-12-26 Thread Janice McDonald
> Nothing is ever easy, is it? I wonder what it is in alfalfa that's good > for ulcers - I'd certainly be hesitant to start a piggy, easy-keeping > Icelandic on alfalfa without a darned good reason. Isn't alfalfa high in > calcium - but so are Tums, right? Coincidence, or is the calcium the ke

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-12-26 Thread Karen Thomas
>>> Up to 90% of racing and performance horses have ulcers: That was the big clue that I gave the vet who recommended that Tivar get treated for ulcers - that his bucking/pissiness had always gotten worse each time he went for training. He mentioned the high incidence as justification for treat

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-07 Thread Robyn Hood
Hi Janice, >i wonder if the ulcer, and even the gastroguard, could have upset the >balance of things and maybe you could try probiotic. Thats what I >would do, try stuff that can't hurt. We suggested Forco to Renee - I have used it for over 20 years - a small company www.forco.com with a product

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
> >>> maintenance treatment for a month. Guess what, he is now colicing > >>> almost every other day. I have an appointment on Thursday to get > >>> re -scoped and check out more. > > > Do you know where, within the stomach, the original ulcer is? I think the > duodenal ulcers may be worse.

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
Gunnar is a 11 yr old gelding, with a pasture mate, had andyhrosis (non-sweater) through the summer. Lives in Colorado with freezing winter temps-seems very happy about that. All blood tests seem normal so far. X-ray showed some sand but very little and has been treated for. Colic started

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
>>> Gunnar was scoped and found to have ulcers in December. He had a rating >>> of 2 out of 4 being mild. He was on gastroguard for a month and then a >>> maintenance treatment for a month. Guess what, he is now colicing >>> almost every other day. I have an appointment on Thursday to get

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Laree Shulman
> Any ideas would help for trying to figure this out. Wow, Renee, how frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any insights, but I wish you luck -- Laree

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Judy Ryder
> I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I > thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus > or bacteria - is the virus/bacteria stress induced? In humans, I believe that ulcers can be caused by h.pylori, and also can be NSAIDs induced. In

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Karen Thomas
I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus or bacteria - is the virus/bacteria stress induced? In humans, yes, but in the horse research I've seen, there's a huge link to stress. I don't know whi

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
or maybe they have the bacteria always there and it gets flared up by stress?? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
a man in our area just had a horse put down that no one could find anything wrong with, not the vet, no one. He just got thinner and thinner and kept colicking and biting his sides. So the owner felt he suffered and had him put down. My farrier told me about it the other day and I asked if it had

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Janice McDonald
On 2/6/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as stress can cause ulcers in the horse and also can be > > responsible for some bad behaviors. > > > > > I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I > thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a vir

Re: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-06 Thread Laree Shulman
as stress can cause ulcers in the horse and also can be > responsible for some bad behaviors. > I'm confused, I know there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of this but I thought it has been proven that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus or bacteria - is the virus/bacteria stress induced? -- Lare

RE: [IceHorses] Ulcers

2007-02-05 Thread Karen Thomas
So, if you have a young horse, send him out for training, and he comes back "different", consider ulcers; at least rule them out, for the horse's long-term health. When I told the vets Tivar's story, and his back checked pretty much pain-free, they immediately suggested that we treat him for