Re: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-02 Thread Jari Arkko
Ted, The big problem others have been pointing to is that DISCUSSes are not being used to say here is a technical issue, for which any solution acceptable to the community is fine, but are instead being used to say here is a technical issue, and here's what it would take to satisfy me that it

RE: Qualitative Analysis of IETF and IESG trends (Re: Measuring IETF and IESG trends)

2008-07-02 Thread Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Speaking as an individual who has also participated in the work of other standards organizations - In other SDOs, the IEEE 802 for example, suggesting a fix for a problem detected in the text at ballot time is not only welcome, but sometimes the recommended if not mandatory practice. Dan

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Thomas Narten
In a more sane world, no one rational would want to build a business or other activity around a TLD named local. But this is demonstrably not a sane world. Right. I can see the business case for this. :-( But at least in the first round, the barrier to entry is so high that I don't see that

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread James Seng
Which brings up a question can a TLD be used like a domain name? not just http://microsoft/ but [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely to fail to. james 2008/7/2 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether http://microsoft/ or other similar

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes?

2008-07-02 Thread Steve Crocker
blush Thanks! Steve On Jul 1, 2008, at 6:36 PM, John Levine wrote: This does not mean that ICANN won't listen to the IETF; it means that there will be voices more familiar to ICANN saying things different than we are. One of the few ICANN committees that actually works is the SSAC, the

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
(It's always a bummer when ietf-general turns into ICANN-general, but in this case it seems like a useful discussion because the IETF will probably be asked policy questions for various proposed TLDs.) At 10:17 AM -0400 7/2/08, Thomas Narten wrote: In a more sane world, no one rational

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Paul, But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would include input from the IETF ICANN rep. I see little reason why or how a TLD that would be damaging, confusing, or otherwise bad for the IETF

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:30 AM -0700 7/2/08, Ole Jacobsen wrote: But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would include input from the IETF ICANN rep. I see little reason why or how a TLD that would be damaging, confusing,

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Tuesday, 01 July, 2008 09:58 -0700 Hallam-Baker, Phillip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another like restriction that might be investigated is whether http://microsoft/ or other similar corporate TLDs would work as intended with deployed legacy browsers. I suspect (but have not tried) that

[ Re: [mpls] WG Review: Recharter of Multiprotocol Label Switching (mpls)]

2008-07-02 Thread Loa Andersson
Eric, Eric Rosen wrote: - Define requirements, mechanisms and protocol extensions for point-to-multipoint (P2MP) MPLS Should be P2MP and MP2MP (multipoint-to-multipoint) MPLS; we wouldn't want to suddenly find out that half of draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-p2mp is out of

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Steve Crocker
While I appreciate the kind words and deference to SSAC, and while we would undoubtedly concur with recommendations to reserve names like .local, ICANN actually listens to the IETF more directly. Moreover, there is a specific slot on the Board of ICANN for a Liaison from the IETF. Thomas

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, 02 July, 2008 10:45 -0700 Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:30 AM -0700 7/2/08, Ole Jacobsen wrote: But it is still the case that an application for say .local would need to go through some review process (regardless of price) which would include input from the IETF

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Which brings up a question can a TLD be used like a domain name? not just http://microsoft/ but [EMAIL PROTECTED] will likely to fail to. james The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago. We added .ARPA to all the single label hostnames as part of

RE: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Bernard Aboba
Mark Andrews said: The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago.We added .ARPA to all the single label hostnames as partof that process. The only hold over is localhost andthat is implemeted locally, not in the global DNS. No sane TLD operator can expect http://tld; or [EMAIL

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Mark Andrews
At 15:40 02-07-2008, John C Klensin wrote: Now, for example, I happen to believe that one-off typing error is guaranteed to yield a false positive, is a more than sufficient _technical_ basis to ban single-alphabetic-letter domains at either the top or second levels and to advise

Re: Update of RFC 2606 based on the recent ICANN changes ?

2008-07-02 Thread Frank Ellermann
Mark Andrews wrote: The Internet went to multi-label hostnames ~20 years ago. As noted in RFC 2821 as one dot required syntax, also mentioned in RFC 3696. Recently *overruled* by 2821bis. No sane TLD operator can expect http://tld; or [EMAIL PROTECTED] to work reliably. Certainly not

problem dealing w/ ietf.org mail servers

2008-07-02 Thread 'kent'
Hi Rich I'll cc this to the ietf list, as you suggested. I've found the problem. It may or may not be something that ietf want's to do something about -- I would think they would, since it seems to have global significance. But I can fix it from this end. Specifically, the problem Dave