Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Valery Smyslov
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. By "isn't very useful" I meant that it is not useful for the usual PMTU discovery goal in TCP - to find _maximum_ IP datagram size that is not fragmented by IP level. In IKE its the goal is different - to find _some_reasonable_ IP datagram size that is not fragmented

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Paul, o Check message validity - in particular, check whether values of Fragment Number and Total Fragments in Encrypted Fragment Payload are valid. If not - message MUST be silently discarded. should be changed to say: o Check message validity - in particular, check whethe

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Yaron Sheffer
I also think that PMTU discovery isn't very useful for IKE. That's why it is MAY. That does not help implementors who still have to implement the MAY's. if even you as a document author does not think it is veru usefil, then I think it should just not be in the document. Sorry, I wasn't very c

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Tero, Valery Smyslov writes: There is no field "id" in IKEv2 Fragmentation Payload - just Fragment Number and Total Fragments. But Total Fragments field plays a dual role if peer uses PMTU discovery - i.e. tries several fragment sizes. In this case Total Fragments allows to distinguish betw

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Valery Smyslov
I also think that PMTU discovery isn't very useful for IKE. That's why it is MAY. That does not help implementors who still have to implement the MAY's. if even you as a document author does not think it is veru usefil, then I think it should just not be in the document. Sorry, I wasn't very c

[IPsec] Minutes from the Virtual Interim WG meeting, 2013-10-09

2013-10-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
Are at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2013/10/09/ipsecme/minutes/minutes-interim-2013-ipsecme-2 And a recording is at http://www.vpnc.org/ipsecme-virtual-interim-2013-10-09.mp3 Participants: please let me know if I messed up any of the notes Everyone: if you want to comment on anything

[IPsec] Update to RFC4307 too?

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
While we are updating the algorithm requirements for the ESP and AH, I think we should also update the RFC4307 too at the same time, as a separate document. I think the changes we would like to do there are: Downgrade Diffie-Hellman group 2 (1024-bits) from MUST- to SHOULD. Upgrade Diffie-Hellman

Re: [IPsec] NUDGE: Reviewing the AD VPN drafts

2013-10-09 Thread Frederic Detienne (fdetienn)
Hi Yoav, Thanks indeed for your comments! Please find additional [Fred] comments inline. On 07 Oct 2013, at 19:47, Manish Kumar (manishkr) wrote: > Hi Yoav, > > Thanks for your comments. I would try adding clarity to some of these > inline [Manish] to supplement what Mike said. > > Manish >

[IPsec] Slides for DMVPN

2013-10-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yn5z2n3284c0rii/draft-detienne-dmvpn-00.pdf ___ IPsec mailing list IPsec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
Paul Wouters writes: > On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Tero Kivinen wrote: > > > For example the > > > > o Check message validity - in particular, check whether values of > > Fragment Number and Total Fragments in Encrypted Fragment Payload > > are valid. If not - message MUST be silently discar

Re: [IPsec] Virtual Interim on two AD VPN drafts: Call-in details

2013-10-09 Thread Yoav Nir
On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Michael Richardson wrote: >>> The call-in details are: >>> Tele: +1 712-775-7400 >>> Code: 809604# > >mcr> Two LD suppliers (entirely different phones) tell me that I can not > reach >mcr> this number from my line. > > I won

[IPsec] Comments to draft-mao-ipsecme-ad-vpn-protocol-02

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
I tried to read this before the interm meeting, but found out that it would require me to read it trough several times before I could really understand it. The basic architecture is simple, we have some trusted third party, ADS which stores all information and ADC devices talk to it and gets some

[IPsec] Comments to draft-song-ipsecme-seq-icv-01

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
The new SEQ-ICV calculation is no more safer than the previous one. It is trivial to break it: SEQ-ICV = (SEQ + ICV[0-3]) ^ K[0-3] + (SEQ + ICV[4-7]) ^ K[4-7] + (SEQ + ICV[8-11]) ^ K[8-11] The problem is that lowest byte of the SEQ-ICV only depends on the K[3]

Re: [IPsec] Virtual Interim on two AD VPN drafts: Call-in details

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson wrote: >> The call-in details are: >> Tele: +1 712-775-7400 >> Code: 809604# mcr> Two LD suppliers (entirely different phones) tell me that I can not reach mcr> this number from my line. I wonder if this exchange has an inflated LD rate? Nice if there was

Re: [IPsec] Virtual Interim on two AD VPN drafts: Call-in details

2013-10-09 Thread Michael Richardson
Paul Hoffman wrote: > The call-in details are: > Tele: +1 712-775-7400 > Code: 809604# Two LD suppliers (entirely different phones) tell me that I can not reach this number from my line. I'm gonna try Google Talk now. (and I guess it's really in an hour anyway) -- Michael Richards

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Tero Kivinen wrote: For example the o Check message validity - in particular, check whether values of Fragment Number and Total Fragments in Encrypted Fragment Payload are valid. If not - message MUST be silently discarded. should be changed to say: o Chec

Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-fragmentation-03.txt

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
Valery Smyslov writes: > There is no field "id" in IKEv2 Fragmentation Payload - just Fragment Number > and Total Fragments. But Total Fragments field plays a dual role if > peer uses PMTU discovery - i.e. tries several fragment sizes. > In this case Total Fragments allows to distinguish between fr

[IPsec] Comments to draft-nir-ipsecme-cafr-02

2013-10-09 Thread Tero Kivinen
In section "2.2. Verifying the HAND_OVER_CHILD_SAS Notification" the document lists operations which needs to be done when handling the notification. The process seems otherwise quite good, expect the error handling seems to be bit drastic. It currently says that if the authenticated identites are