If anyone is interested in my proposal for DE-specific keys, I've
written a proposal for how the Desktop Entry Specification could be
updated. This support could be used to implement the naming mentioned,
that is calling it "System Settings" in KDE, and "KDE System Settings"
elsewhere - without new
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 13:47 +0200, todd rme wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin wrote:
> >> I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
> >> a .desktop file, with more levels than the current Generic
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 13:47 +0200, todd rme wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin wrote:
> >> I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
> >> a .desktop file, with more levels than the current Generic
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin wrote:
>> I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
>> a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
>
> I think the KDE system settings desktop
On 4 August 2011 07:27, George Spelvin wrote:
> I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
> a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
I think the KDE system settings desktop file just needs an addition of:
OnlyShowIn=KDE;
Richard.
I think what is needed is a series of more specific alternate names in
a .desktop file, with more levels than the current GenericName and Name.
By default, applications get the simplest name. If there is a collision,
*both* get promoted to the next most specific name.
E.g. you might have
name1=I
Hello Ben,
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 20:21 +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> To all concerned developers,
>
> As you may or may not be aware, the name "System Settings" for an
> application is currently in use by KDE. A recent renaming by your
> GNOME control center developers to this name creates a namin
On 28 July 2011 08:51, Thomas Lübking wrote:
> I thought that was what the GenericName entry was supposed to be good
> for, so gnome-terminal.desktop would have
>
> Name=GNOME Terminal
> GenericName=Terminal
> Exec=gnome-terminal
>
> and the runner/menu could use the GenericName unless there's a
>
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark wrote:
> > Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
> > an IRC chat room and talk about it.
>
> That is pretty much exactly what I'm trying to organize. But I need
Am Thu, 28 Jul 2011 01:15:46 +0200
schrieb Olav Vitters :
> However, that is not our goal. We want something simple. For
> everything part of GNOME Core we have say what it does instead of
> putting the git module name in the menu.
I thought that was what the GenericName entry was supposed to be
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:24, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:11:32AM +0200, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark wrote:
>> > Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
>> > an IRC chat room and talk about it.
>>
>> That is pr
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07, Mark wrote:
> Perhaps the involved people from KDE and Gnome should just sit down in
> an IRC chat room and talk about it.
That is pretty much exactly what I'm trying to organize. But I need to
know who that would be from the GNOME-side.
> note: congrats on the KDE
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Monday, July 25, 2011 10:30:46 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
>> This whole debate is way too heated and I'd like to take this out ofthe
>> arena. Are there 2 or 3 people on the GNOME side that areavailable to talk
>> this through and find a solu
On Monday, July 25, 2011 10:30:46 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> This whole debate is way too heated and I'd like to take this out ofthe
> arena. Are there 2 or 3 people on the GNOME side that areavailable to talk
> this through and find a solution? Ideally whoevermaintains system settings
> on the GNOME
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 07:44:54AM +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> Each desktop team should stop picking such generic names. gnome-terminal
> is fine, so is Konsole. Terminal should probably be renamed.
> NetworkManager is a braindead name, System Settings implies far more
> than it accomplishes
On 2011-07-23 Matthias wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy Bicha
wrote:
> > On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >
> > To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to
> > a GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps named
> > System Settings a
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:26:03PM +0200, Mark Gaiser wrote:
>> In my opinion there should be a cross desktop system settings
>> application where the KDE implementation can use KCM and the gnome
>> implementation uses whatever they wan
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:26:03PM +0200, Mark Gaiser wrote:
> In my opinion there should be a cross desktop system settings
> application where the KDE implementation can use KCM and the gnome
> implementation uses whatever they want to use. That would be the
> ideal solution imho.
>
you mean, l
Il giorno lun, 25/07/2011 alle 12.56 +0200, Markus Slopianka ha scritto:
> > Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
> > engine written in Qt yet)
>
> Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
> least integrate
> visually into a Qt
On Monday, 2011-07-25, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
> >> >
> >> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This NamingClashCri
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:32 PM, David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 8:08 pm, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> David Jarvie wrote:
>>> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/
On Mon, July 25, 2011 8:08 pm, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> David Jarvie wrote:
>> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>>>
>>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>>>
>>> I suggest that
Le 25/07/2011 19:51, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> On Mon, 25.07.11 17:40, Giovanni Campagna (scampa.giova...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>>> The spec does not provide a list of shared keys, does such a list exist?
>>> If there is no such list I don't see how we could share anything.
>>
>> http://wiki.fr
On 07/25/2011 04:53 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2011 12:19:19 Andrea Diamantini wrote: KCMsshould live in
kde-runtime. Isn't it?
they do.
So, it's just my bad luck the ones I use (cookies, proxy, cache) are not.
Working for a solution...
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> [: Mark :]
> Just a small suggestion on how i think this should be "fixed" (since 2
> desktop files for one app seems just ugly to me). Perhaps it's better to
> extend the desktop file specification:
> [...]
> Name=System Settings
> NativeDE=KDE
> NameNonNative=KDE System Settings
Adding n
On 25 July 2011 07:18, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
>
> Thomas Zander wrote:
>
>>On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
>>> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
>>> systemsettings.
>>
>>Pl
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> On Mon 25 July 2011 06:53:28 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>> > On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> >> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
>> >> >
>> >> >
On Mon 25 July 2011 06:53:28 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
> >> >
> >> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This
> >>
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:50 PM, David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>>
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>>
>> I suggest that you consider it, because it w
On Mon, 25.07.11 17:40, Giovanni Campagna (scampa.giova...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > The spec does not provide a list of shared keys, does such a list exist?
> > If there is no such list I don't see how we could share anything.
>
> http://wiki.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/XSettingsRegistry
Th
David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>>
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>>
>> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
>> update the
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:50 pm, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>
> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
> update the Freedesktop specification an
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Ambroz Bizjak wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
>
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
>
> I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
> update the Freedesktop specification
Hi Mark,
Yes, you are right about the X- part. However, I now think that the
Freedesktop specification could be extended in a more generic way. I
suggest updating the spec such that any (!) non-(-X) key of form (for
example)
Specific--=
is to be interpreted as =Value, in the environment called ,
Hi Mark,
have you seen my proposed improvement on your suggestion?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131149560119520&w=2
I suggest that you consider it, because it would avoid having to
update the Freedesktop specification and any DE that doesn't name its
programs differently in other DEs
Thomas Zander wrote:
>On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
>> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
>> systemsettings.
>
>Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
>
>I can tota
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.17 +0200, Aurélien Gâteau ha scritto:
> Le 24/07/2011 17:11, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> > GTK+ applications use the XSETTINGS keys:
> >
> > http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
> >
> > so every key that is shared using that spe
On Monday, July 25, 2011 12:19:19 Andrea Diamantini wrote: KCMsshould live in
kde-runtime. Isn't it?
they do.
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM, David Jarvie wrote:
> On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:32 pm, Mark wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Could you read and comment on my proposal:
>> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131142514605051&w=2
>> I would like to implement this in the spec, KDE en Gnome, but i need
>>
On Mon, July 25, 2011 12:32 pm, Mark wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> Could you read and comment on my proposal:
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131142514605051&w=2
> I would like to implement this in the spec, KDE en Gnome, but i need
> some pointers on where i should make such edits and to get it
Hi,
On Monday, 25. July 2011 02:37:15 Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> controls settings of the KDE runtime env/platform, is at least also one
> who is insular and only cares for himself (or his workspace), no?
No. The application author has the freedom to come up with a creative catchy
name -
A Segunda, 25 de Julho de 2011 11:56:01 Markus Slopianka você escreveu:
> > Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
> > engine written in Qt yet)
>
> Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
> least integrate visually into a Qt envi
2011/7/24 Ben Cooksley :
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
>
> In any case, we need a short term solution to this. Basically, we are
> going to have
Am Montag 25 Juli 2011, 02:37:15 schrieb Friedrich W. H. Kossebau:
> Sorry, Ben, but someone who names his program with that general term
> "System settings" and expects it to have this name in all of the
> shells/workspaces (Gnome Shell, Unity, XFCE, Enlightenment,
> $WINDOWMANAGER, even in Windo
> Which settings don't they follow? Apart from theme (as there is no gtk3
> engine written in Qt yet)
Why do theme engines have to be written for Qt in order to let GTK apps at
least integrate
visually into a Qt environment. There should be a Qt theme loader in GTK just
as there is
a GTK theme
On 07/24/2011 09:10 PM, Michael Jansen wrote:
I btw. agree that a kde application outside of a kde workspace should
be self contained. We could solve that problem btw inside of the kde
framework even. As Martin masterfully proved systemsettings is a
workspace application and should not be be re
On 07/24/2011 05:11 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
applications using the org.freedesktop.Secrets API will ask for the
well-known bus name, and get to talk to the daemon implementing it;
that means using the gnome-keyring daemon or kwallet, depending on
which is installed. the same mechanism of au
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> >
>> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
>> >
>> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This NamingClashCrisis is
>> > more
>>
>> They will. As an example,
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 16:05:22 Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> you're saying that anyone using a KDE application should also install
> the KDE system settings shell because it is the only way to configure
> KDE *applications*? Qt, like GTK+ uses the same XSETTINGS protocol, to
> allow interoperability
Heya folks :)
This whole debate is way too heated and I'd like to take this out of
the arena. Are there 2 or 3 people on the GNOME side that are
available to talk this through and find a solution? Ideally whoever
maintains system settings on the GNOME side would be one of them.
I'd like to work wi
Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and irrevocably been
forged and fed into some unstoppable mechanism?
Per the KDE Release Schedule, we are frozen for everything except
build compilation failures, as the KDE 4.7.0 release process is
underway.
So what is the better option here
On Monday 25 July 2011 07.49.17 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I haven't seen anything in any mailing list posts that is nearly as
> aggressive as knowningly reusing a name that was in use like
> systemsettings.
Please don't assume that was an agressive act.
I can totally see that someone that goes wi
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:52:08 PM Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> > interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> > they're insular and only care for themselves
On Sunday, July 24, 2011 05:07:19 PM Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
>
> In any case, we need a short term solution to this.
On Monday 25 July 2011 06.02.17 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > Sorry, Ben, but someone who names his program with that general term
> > "System settings" and expects it to have this name in all of the
> > shells/workspaces (Gnome Shell, Unity, XFCE, Enlightenment,
> > $WINDOWMANAGER, even in Windows and O
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> >
>> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
>> >
>> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This NamingClashCrisis is
>> > more
>>
>> They will. As an example,
On Monday 25 July 2011 15:57:16 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >
> >> Otherwise our users will be the ones who will suffer.
> >
> > I really doubt anyone is going to 'suffer'... This NamingClashCrisis is more
>
> They will. As an example, KMyMoney users for instance depend on System
> Settings to be able t
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau
wrote:
> Dimanche, le 24 juillet 2011, à 23:07, Ben Cooksley a écrit:
>> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
>> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
>> they're insular and only ca
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:26 PM, marcel partap wrote:
>> KDE 4.7 will probably be shipped by distributions alongside GNOME 3.0.
>> A short term solution is required at the bare minimum to fix that -
>> which can be done as I noted.
>
> Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and ir
Dimanche, le 24 juillet 2011, à 23:07, Ben Cooksley a écrit:
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
This is quite insulting, I do not think many share y
KDE 4.7 will probably be shipped by distributions alongside GNOME 3.0.
A short term solution is required at the bare minimum to fix that -
which can be done as I noted.
Where's the problem? Have the release tarballs already and irrevocably
been forged and fed into some unstoppable mechanism?
O
2011/7/25 Cornelius Schumacher :
> On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
>> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
>> they're insular and only care for themselves.
>
> I don't want to let a stateme
Still, we should treat each other with respect. [...]
being angry doesn't solve problems, especially not
when communication about a common solution is required. [...]
Not everything can be done easily, but we should look for the
right solutions and persue them.
There is no established mechanism t
On Sunday 24 July 2011 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
> interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
> they're insular and only care for themselves.
I don't want to let a statement like this stand as it is. There are a
Dropping GNOME out of this, as it seems quite clear they aren't
interested in co-operating at all. Which is fairly typical for them,
they're insular and only care for themselves.
In any case, we need a short term solution to this. Basically, we are
going to have to provide a different name under G
Le 24/07/2011 17:11, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> GTK+ applications use the XSETTINGS keys:
>
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html
>
> so every key that is shared using that specification is picked up
> automatically by GTK+ applications.
>
> we can definitely
On Sunday 24 July 2011, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 01:38:34PM +0200, Martin Sandsmark wrote:
> > My two cent is that Gnome should rename it's configuration
> > application to something that reflects what it is, instead of
> > stealing the name from the KDE system configuration ap
Le 24 juil. 2011 14:35, "Aurélien Gâteau" a écrit :
> Le 24/07/2011 12:55, Giovanni Campagna a écrit :
>> Which is a KDE bug. You should use GNOME shortcuts when possible. I
>> mean, Gtk has emacs and Mac OS modes for keybindings, I doubt Qt hasn't
>> something similar.
>
>
>> It is true that you
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
> What about the other way around BTW? Do GNOME applications running on a
> KDE workspace follow KDE keybindings, theme, palette, fonts and icon
> theme?
GTK+ applications use the XSETTINGS keys:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.h
hi;
On 24 July 2011 10:00, Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> the short-term fix is to make the KDE system settings OnlyShowIn=KDE,
>> so that users running KDE will not have any issue, and every other
>> desktop will correctly not show the KDE system settings shell.
>
> Wrong. Emmanuele, read my initial ema
On Sunday 24 July 2011 20:27:58 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Sunday 24 July 2011 14:12:21 Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
> > If there is no need for KDE System Settings on a Gnome desktop, then
> > adding a OnlyShowIn=KDE; key to the desktop file would be appropriate.
> > If on the other hand there is a need
On Sunday 24 July 2011 14:12:21 Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
> If there is no need for KDE System Settings on a Gnome desktop, then
> adding a OnlyShowIn=KDE; key to the desktop file would be appropriate.
> If on the other hand there is a need for KDE System Settings on a Gnome
> desktop, then Shaun solu
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 01:38:34PM +0200, Martin Sandsmark wrote:
> My two cent is that Gnome should rename it's configuration application to
> something that reflects what it is, instead of stealing the name from the KDE
> system configuration application.
I've already mentioned in the first re
Le 24/07/2011 12:55, Giovanni Campagna a écrit :
> Which is a KDE bug. You should use GNOME shortcuts when possible. I
> mean, Gtk has emacs and Mac OS modes for keybindings, I doubt Qt hasn't
> something similar.
> It is true that you can change KDE theme without changing the GTK one,
> but why
Le 24/07/2011 10:25, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> hi;
>
> 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
>> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
>> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
>> Settings would not be installed.
>>
>> You are only likely to get b
On Sunday 24 July 2011 17:55:54 Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.37 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
> > Wrong, wrong and wrong.
> > Phonon backend cannot be configured without System Settings.
> And that's a feature, I suppose. As a GNOME user, I want GStreamer at
> all
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 22.37 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Giovanni Campagna
> wrote:
> > Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
> >> 2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi :
> >> > hi;
> >> >
> >> > 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
> >> >>
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Giovanni Campagna
wrote:
> Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
>> 2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi :
>> > hi;
>> >
>> > 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
>> >> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
>> >> computer w
Il giorno dom, 24/07/2011 alle 21.00 +1200, Ben Cooksley ha scritto:
> 2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi :
> > hi;
> >
> > 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
> >> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
> >> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
> >> Sett
On Sunday 24 July 2011, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> 2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi :
> > hi;
> >
> > 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
> >> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
> >> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
> >> Settings would not be instal
2011/7/24 Emmanuele Bassi :
> hi;
>
> 2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
>> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
>> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
>> Settings would not be installed.
>>
>> You are only likely to get both System Settings
hi;
2011/7/24 Aurélien Gâteau :
> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
> Settings would not be installed.
>
> You are only likely to get both System Settings pre-installed if your
> computer was s
> Most distributions split KDE packages so if you get a pre-installed
> computer with Gnome and a few KDE applications installed, KDE System
> Settings would not be installed.
>
>You are only likely to get both System Settings pre-installed if your
>computer was shipped with both KDE and Gnome desk
Le 23/07/2011 12:33, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
> On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
>> Matthias Clasen a écrit:
>>
>>> I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the issue, really.
>>
>> Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
>> falls short?
>
> it falls short
On Saturday, July 23, 2011 04:41:05 AM Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I find what is proposed by Shaun to be acceptable, as the distinction
> between the two is clearly defined. It still allows users to determine
> the correct System Settings application to use to configure KDE
> applications with
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> @Matthias: please explain how this doesn't solve the issue.
It certainly solves the immediate symptom of 'two things in the menu
are named the same'.
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
> Emmanuele Bassi a écrit:
>
>> On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
>>> Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
>>> falls short?
>>
>> it falls short in showing:
>>
>> System Settings
>> KDE System S
Emmanuele Bassi a écrit:
> On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
>> Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
>> falls short?
>
> it falls short in showing:
>
> System Settings
> KDE System Settings
>
> under Gnome, and:
>
> System Settings
> Gnome System
On 2011-07-23 at 11:27, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
> Matthias Clasen a écrit:
>
> > I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the issue, really.
>
> Why? Do you have an example that would show where Shaun's proposal
> falls short?
it falls short in showing:
System Settings
KDE System Settings
u
Denis Washington a écrit:
> Am 23.07.2011 11:54, schrieb Giovanni Campagna:
>> Il giorno sab, 23/07/2011 alle 11.27 +0200, Dodji Seketeli ha scritto:
>>> Matthias Clasen a écrit:
>>>
I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the issue, really.
>>>
>>> Why? Do you have an example that would s
Hi,
I find what is proposed by Shaun to be acceptable, as the distinction
between the two is clearly defined. It still allows users to determine
the correct System Settings application to use to configure KDE
applications with what is probably the most minimal level of
confusion.
KDE System Setti
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> To be more specific about the problem, installing kde-workspace to a
> GNOME installation results in 2 indistinguishable apps named System
> Settings and 2 named System Monitor. On Ubuntu at least
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote:
> What about, instead, Shaun's proposal? It seems reasonable to me
> (while I like to test it) and we could do the same in GNOME stuff
> (while it's additional work for maintainers and tranlators).
I don't think Shauns proposal addresses the
> This is what happens when you mix and match bits and pieces from
> different operating systems. There is really not much that can be done
> about it. Since that is what both KDE and GNOME are trying to do:
> build complete, self-contained systems.
So far we are running the same OS (for most of us
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:17:17AM +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >
> > Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
> > before the sunny Desktop Summit.
>
> Hi Olav,
>
> In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
>
> Screenshots on your live
Hello,
Why not use Gnome System Settings and KDE System Settings instead?
So this can be visible in both environments, and the user will know what he
needs to change.
Internally I believe both can keep System Settings.
Using Gnome/KDE System Settings the user will know which one he want's to
use.
2011/7/23 Matthias Clasen :
>> I'd like to suggest that the GNOME developers consider changing the
>> public name of their app to "System Preferences." This matches the Mac
>> OS X design and arguably GNOME follows some parts of OS X design.
>> Furthermore, it is more in line with Gnome 2's System>
On 23/07/11 00:25, Shaun McCance wrote:
I very much doubt users will be any less confused when confronted
with "System Settings" and "System Preferences".
Especially as in other languages, there are not always two words for
this (e.g. German).
There's a very easy way to use a different appl
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 17:53 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >>
> >> Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
> >> before the sunny Desktop Summit.
> >
> > Hi Olav,
> >
> > In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have
On 22 July 2011 17:17, Ben Cooksley wrote:
>>
>> Now lets go into something more productive and perhaps we can fix this
>> before the sunny Desktop Summit.
>
> Hi Olav,
>
> In terms of being productive surrounding this, I have several questions:
>
> Screenshots on your live wiki indicate that GNOM
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