[libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-11 Thread Mihovil Stanic
Is there some way to see number of users using your locale? For example, how many users use LibreOffice in HR locale. Would be nice to know for example: 100 users using LO in Croatia From that 58 in croatian UI 22 in english 5 in serbian 5 in bosnian etc... What kind of data do you get from autom

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-11 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) That sort of data is notoriously inaccurate in OpenSource. It's not as though we can track number of licenses sold or anything like that. Such things are often considered intrusive! it might be good to know but on the other hand we respect people's privacy far more. One person might downl

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-11 Thread Michael Bauer
Firefox counts the number of times the local software pings the Mozilla servers for updates to the blacklist. I've found this a fairly reliable figure because I can tell (sadly) when the Gaelic college is on holidays. Number drops by about 20 users and it always coincides with holidays. So pe

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-11 Thread Mihovil Stanic
Exactly what I was talking about. :) 11.10.2014. u 19:21, Michael Bauer je napisao/la: Firefox counts the number of times the local software pings the Mozilla servers for updates to the blacklist. I've found this a fairly reliable figure because I can tell (sadly) when the Gaelic college is on

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-12 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
May I ask why you want to violate people’s privacy just to get a number? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette Li

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-12 Thread Rimas Kudelis
2014.10.12 22:42, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos wrote: > May I ask why you want to violate people’s privacy just to get a number? May I ask you where in your opinion the line lies between people's privacy and plain statistics? Rimas -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-12 Thread Mihovil Stanic
I'm not sure what info from update pings is Mozilla collecting, but I don't see any private informations there. Country of origin, current version and UI/keyboard locale doesn't seam like private info to me. I'm guessing weekly update pings in LibreOffice are already sending version info now,

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-12 Thread Michael Bauer
Apart from the fact we're not talking about private information (such as name, age, address, phone or even IP etc) but just 'locale(s) installed' and 'country', perhaps 'version', this is a useful metric to measure uptake. For example, until we got usage/locale data on Adaptxt (a predictive tex

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-12 Thread Sophie
Hi all, Le 12/10/2014 22:09, Mihovil Stanic a écrit : > I'm not sure what info from update pings is Mozilla collecting, but I > don't see any private informations there. > Country of origin, current version and UI/keyboard locale doesn't seam > like private info to me. > > I'm guessing weekly upda

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-13 Thread Mihovil Stanic
I think they are using RedMine now which requires one more unused account... Next suggestion, implement one account for all TDF/LO services. :) Best regards, Mihovil 13.10.2014 u 8:43, Sophie je napisao/la: Hi all, Le 12/10/2014 22:09, Mihovil Stanic a écrit : I'm not sure what info from upda

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-13 Thread Michael Bauer
I'm thinking we should file a feature request bug and see what happens? Michael 13/10/2014 07:43, sgrìobh Sophie: You should ask on the private marketing list, I know the marketing team is following download stats, but I'm not sure they do that per language. Cheers Sophie -- *Akerbeltz

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-13 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Mihovil Stanic wrote: > Is there some way to see number of users using your locale? Nope, at least not yet/not for historic data. > What kind of data do you get from automatic update pings? As windows build includes all languages, and windows users are by

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-13 Thread Mihovil Stanic
Hi Christian, If I understood you correctly, you already have all data, you just didn't setup infrastructure to collect them (IP geolocation and UI locale from header). When/If you ever decide to collect that data, I don't think real user number can diviate much from that. Default setup are w

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-13 Thread Dennis Roczek
Hi Mihovil, Am 13.10.2014 um 10:42 schrieb Mihovil Stanic: I think they are using RedMine now which requires one more unused account... Next suggestion, implement one account for all TDF/LO services. :) Already on the to-do-list and work already begun. Regards, Dennis Roczek -- To unsubscr

Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-14 Thread Leif Lodahl
Hi all, Wouldn't the most obvious thing be to add a Piwik server to our web infrastructure and start picking up some detailed statistics about both downloads but also user behaviour in general? From my point of view that would be the most simple solution. Cheers, Leif Lodahl 2014-10-13 14:51 GM

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-14 Thread Italo Vignoli
We have decided to avoid releasing download figures, and use update figures instead (which need some number crunching by developers: last figure was 80 million if unique IPs pinging for updates, but goes back to late spring). Download figures are not representative of the level of adoption, and in

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-14 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) 80 million sounds pretty good. I tend to try to stop most machines from updating unattended for most things and anyway most probably appear to come from a single ip address. Also i might download an update in one place and then use it on many different machines in several different places a

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-14 Thread Mihovil Stanic
I know at least one installation with more then 200 desktops using LibreOffice and connecting to internet trough same IP. Unique IP counting isn't flowless, but it's better then downloads. Please take my consideration for counting locale UI headers for each update request and making that data av

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?

2014-10-15 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Leif, *, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Leif Lodahl wrote: > Hi all, > Wouldn't the most obvious thing be to add a Piwik server to our web > infrastructure Already have piwik running, soo > and start picking up some detailed statistics about both > downloads but also user behaviour in gene