Hans-Peter Diettrich schreef:
IMO a good add-on to the "Lazarus is invisible?" thread.
Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
[snip]
DoDi, your attitude does not help the Lazarus image. Lazarus, like many
(most?) OS projects *is* difficult to understand when looking through the
eyes of a person not y
On 30 January 2010 02:35, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
wrote:
> Why don't you improve the wiki then? The idea is that people can
> independently find what they think needs improvement and improve it.
Felipe, I think this is a catch-22 situation. If you don't know how to
install FPC and Lazarus or
On 30 January 2010 03:26, Andrew Brunner wrote:
> IMO if you MUST know where to look for information regarding FPC/Lazarus.
> I think a birds-eye view of "stuff" should be easily accessible and intuitive.
>
Correct, but the FIRST problem is the Lazarus website. It's NOT a
website at all, but simp
Graeme Geldenhuys schreef:
On 30 January 2010 03:26, Andrew Brunner wrote:
IMO if you MUST know where to look for information regarding FPC/Lazarus.
I think a birds-eye view of "stuff" should be easily accessible and intuitive.
Correct, but the FIRST problem is the Lazarus website. It's NOT
Hello.
> I must be a very experienced OS project user: I just look for a download
> link, then I can choose windows 32 bits, and a version (not the old
> releases), and I get an exe. What to do with it? Run it, and Lazarus
> installs.
The fact is that basic info for beginners is spread around.
Using the scripts I managed to create Debian packages for Win32
crosscompiler. In this case I can not install because the package is
not generated for the amd64 architecture, it is a package for the i386
architecture, this is correct?
you can install and run the i386 package on amd64, you ju
Juha Manninen schrieb:
> 1. Mention about FPC and a link for downloading and installing it. Now there
> is a link to Free Pascal but its relation to Lazarus is not obvious to a
> beginner.
Lazarus comes with FPC?
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Am Freitag 29 Januar 2010 23:36:02 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
> IMO a good add-on to the "Lazarus is invisible?" thread.
>
I think a great problem for many of those people in this thread comes from the
fact that (as they state) try it from time to time. That means, that they
probably have en
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
wrote:
> Felipe, I think this is a catch-22 situation. If you don't know how to
> install FPC and Lazarus or know how to user Lazarus, there is NO way
> that person will be able to improve the wiki. :-(
I had understood that the writer do knows h
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 07:26:31PM -0600, Andrew Brunner wrote:
>
> Take MSDN for example, they have a great system, index, organized, and
> presentable to the masses. Could someone model that? I envision
> content in the main body, tabs for platform specific notes.
I think it is more important
On 30 January 2010 12:54, Vincent Snijders wrote:
>
> The main page contains links to Downloads and Mailing list information on
> prominent places. AFAIK the Lazarus team doesn't have web designer, and that
> shows.
A product website firstly gives a bit of summary information. This
includes thing
On 30 January 2010 13:55, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
>
> Lazarus comes with FPC?
Don't confuse Windows only features, with other platforms. What about
Mac, FreeBSD, Linux users? FPC doesn't come with those.
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Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
On 30 January 2010 12:54, Vincent Snijders wrote:
The main page contains links to Downloads and Mailing list information on
prominent places. AFAIK the Lazarus team doesn't have web designer, and that
shows.
A product website firstly gives a bit of summary information
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
Why don't you improve the wiki then? The idea is that people can
independently find what they think needs improvement and improve it.
I only propagate the comment of an user. Instructions about installation
IMO should be accessible from the start page, not
Vincent Snijders schrieb:
I must be a very experienced OS project user: I just look for a download
link, then I can choose windows 32 bits, and a version (not the old
releases), and I get an exe. What to do with it? Run it, and Lazarus
installs.
This was not the problem. In fact it's impossi
Milan Baša schrieb:
How can I catch mouse move event when Form is down in Taskbar ?
FormMouseMove works only with active Form on the screen.
Right, mouse moves are only sent to a visible form.
You may Capture the mouse, but with a minimized application this doesn't
make much sense.
DoDi
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Hi all,
Continuing our discussion on the other thread, let's get some real
action. From this email, I will suggest and collecting some ideas
about what we're gonna do with Lazarus web site (and also FPC?). If we
settle with the whole things, we could ask some volunteers to do some
works o
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Bee Jay wrote:
> If we settle with the whole things, we could ask some volunteers
> to do some works over the agreed ideas.
I'd start searching volunteers first :)
thanks,
dmitry
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Hi all,
Now, let's talk about the content and its structure. From the first
email, I have shared some references, maybe we could go from there.
Some things need to be considered are:
- what contents we're gonna provide to the visitors?
- which contents need to be displayed on the main page?
-
Hi all,
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If
not, what's the reason?
This is important, IMO. Most people know Lazarus is the "official" FPC
IDE. Also because it would also effect on the whole website design. If
they're separated, should we also reconstruct th
Hi all,
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to
the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use
to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb. Because we could
prove by itself that F
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
Hi all,
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to the one
who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use to serve the
backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb. Bec
At the very least, this point has my vote :-)
I'll contribute my yunior designer work on this effort. I'll confirm
this by Monday. I'll personally supervise his work. He's able to
produce the HTML, CSS, and required JS for the design. So, it's only
the front-end part. Would you do the back
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If
not, what's the reason?
I prefer that both are merged, but with separated content. This would
make the website maintenance easier and focus.
Let's hear what others would say. :)
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30.01.2010 22:01, Bee Jay wrote:
The last thing is: should we merge FPC and Lazarus? If so, why? If
not, what's the reason?
I prefer that both are merged, but with separated content. This would
make the website maintenance easier and focus.
Seems it was discussed before already. Yes, at leas
Developing software isn't about just clicking somewhere. It's also about
knowing where to find your info.
Well, although I see why it is how it is I have to fully agree with Graeme
regarding the very confusing web pages and the lack of structured information.
I know that it's easy said while no
30.01.2010 21:34, Bee Jay wrote:
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to
the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use
to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb. Because we could
p
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 04:11:59PM +0100, J?rgen Hestermann wrote:
> > Developing software isn't about just clicking somewhere. It's also about
> > knowing where to find your info.
>
> Well, although I see why it is how it is I have to fully agree with Graeme
> regarding the very confusing web p
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I am simple pointing out the
obvious faults of the current "first port of call" website new users
get when they want to know about the Lazarus project. Why make it so
difficult for new users?
@all:
Enough talking and let's do the real work. FPC/Lazarus is
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Bee Jay wrote:
At the very least, this point has my vote :-)
I'll contribute my yunior designer work on this effort. I'll confirm this by
Monday. I'll personally supervise his work. He's able to produce the HTML,
CSS, and required JS for the design. So, it's only the f
I think that we should not reinvent the wheel again and use already
existing tools. Before we thought about the portal and choosed
drupal as a possible cms for it. Although Joomla is a good candidate
too.
Good reason, for practical reason. If we're going to use external
tool, as we don't
Andrew Brunner wrote:
IMO if you MUST know where to look for information regarding FPC/Lazarus.
I think a birds-eye view of "stuff" should be easily accessible and intuitive.
Unfortunately, the complicated nature of this universal development
tool requires much content management technology to r
On 1/30/10, Marc Weustink wrote:
> > * What is Lazarus?
> About lazarus ?
> > * Where can I documentation (IDE & LCL)?
> Wiki ?
> > * Where can I get installation/setup instructions?
> > * Where can I download it from?
> Download ?
All those links are in the (tiny) menu on the left side
Marc Weustink schrieb:
Developing software isn't about just clicking somewhere. It's also about
knowing where to find your info.
Reading comments like yours makes me understand why many people find
Lazarus unusable :-(
Currently it's impossible to find the information about the first steps
30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote:
For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent
the wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS
out there, though mostly build using PHP (and mysql). But, in pascal
world, it maybe the first CMS that's build using pascal
Andreas Schneider wrote:
Am Freitag 29 Januar 2010 23:36:02 schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich:
IMO a good add-on to the "Lazarus is invisible?" thread.
I think a great problem for many of those people in this thread comes from the
fact that (as they state) try it from time to time. That means, th
On 30 January 2010 18:00, Bee Jay wrote:
> and showcase for FPC/Lazarus. And for the database, personally, I much
> prefer Firebird, for many reasons. But, again, that's me.
+1 here. Firebird is so much better than MySQL. I really don't
understand the hype around MySQL.
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Nice screenshot Marc. :-)
2010/1/30 Marc Weustink :
>> * What is Lazarus?
>
> About lazarus ?
I think this needs higher visibility than a small link. Some of that
content should really be on the front page.
>> * Where can I documentation (IDE & LCL)?
>
> Wiki ?
Well, that's not very obvious
Hans-Peter Diettrich schreef:
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb:
Why don't you improve the wiki then? The idea is that people can
independently find what they think needs improvement and improve it.
I only propagate the comment of an user. Instructions about installation
IMO should be acces
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Paul Ishenin wrote:
30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote:
For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent the
wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS out there,
though mostly build using PHP (and mysql). But, in pascal world, it m
Hi.
> - how we gonna appear Lazarus to the audience? cool? serious? funky?
> funny?
Make a joke about Pascal as a historical language which is only for people
stuck in the past.
Back to 1980's anyone ...
Don Johnson -- Miami Vice -- Bee Gees -- Free Pascal Compiler!
The fact is that Pascal i
Paul Ishenin wrote:
30.01.2010 21:34, Bee Jay wrote:
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to
the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use
to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly, I expect it would be build using fpWeb
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Paul Ishenin wrote:
30.01.2010 23:00, Bee Jay wrote:
For development reason, I still prefer fpWeb. Yes, we would reinvent
the wheel, if we say in CMS world as there are many ready-to-use CMS
out there, though mostly build using PHP (and mysql)
Marco van de Voort schrieb:
I also had a hard time starting with Lazarus/Free Pascal and
it's still not easy to find information.
Do realize though that it is the constant change in the project that causes
this mostly. You'd need to revise the whole detailed website and all docs
every 3 month
On 1/30/2010 18:51, Marc Weustink wrote:
Paul Ishenin wrote:
30.01.2010 21:34, Bee Jay wrote:
One more thing, but this is optional, we should give the decision to
the one who are gonna do the real work: what tool are we going to use
to serve the backend? PHP? Wordpress? Joomla? fpWeb?
Honestly
Before use pascal (fbWeb or others), you must ask how many users will use it
in the future (use the project in there site), because those user will
improves the project by send bugs and patches.
SY, Zaher Dirkey
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On 31 January 2010 01:52, Marc Weustink wrote:
>> If it is to be for the FPC website too, then Firebird is a must.
>
> When talking databases, I'd prefer Postgresql.
Postgresql eluded me for many years (I don't know why). I was
pleasantly surprised when I took a look at Postgresql a few months
ag
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys
wrote:
> On 31 January 2010 01:52, Marc Weustink wrote:
> >> If it is to be for the FPC website too, then Firebird is a must.
> >
> > When talking databases, I'd prefer Postgresql.
>
> Postgresql eluded me for many years (I don't know why). I was
2010/1/31 Zaher Dirkey :
> Firebird has less features than Postgresql but Postgresql has bad client
> (for me), I prefer FirebirdSQL.
If you're going to use Drupal, then I think the options are MySQL or Postgres.
Personally I don't like MySQL; I think it's weaker than Postgres.
And the MySQL com
On Sunday 31 January 2010 00:52, Marc Weustink wrote:
> When talking databeses, I'd prefer Postgresql.
+1
zeljko
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