Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

2013-12-19 Thread stephen
> > And IETF folk are really pissed at NSA morons screwing with their baby. > > Do NOT make the mistake of thinking they're morons. "think him a rogue if > it please you; never believe he's a fool" Regards, K. The NSA are/were fine technical nerds. Throw enough money at them, wind up their hand

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

2013-12-19 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2013-12-19 at 06:54 +, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: > And IETF folk are 'really' pissed at NSA morons screwing with their baby. Do NOT make the mistake of thinking they're morons. "think him a rogue if it please you; never believe he's a fool" Regards, K. -- ~~~

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

2013-12-18 Thread Janet Hawtin
On 19 December 2013 17:24, wrote: > Janet writes, > > > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead > > And, "Little

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

2013-12-18 Thread stephen
Janet writes, > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead And, "Little nails hold the hinges of history" Bismark

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Janet Hawtin
On 19 December 2013 13:49, Roger Clarke wrote: > Chicken!! > the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence, diverse health the mythology of security/privacy and human ideas of wealth/power still sit on that reality imho ___

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Roger Clarke
Chicken!! (:-)} _ At 13:34 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: On 19 December 2013 13:22, Roger Clarke <roger.cla...@xamax.com.au> wrote: Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. With those insights, you can do the activist

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Janet Hawtin
On 19 December 2013 13:22, Roger Clarke wrote: > Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. > > With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy > suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable (:-)} A few 'underground' people against infin

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Roger Clarke
Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'. With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable (:-)} At 13:16 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: if n entities(individuals and companies) hav

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Janet Hawtin
if n entities(individuals and companies) have effectively infinite wealth leverage and privacy why would transparent civil groups have an impact if the law can be changed through secret trade agreements (dmca) and governments do not resist private priorities. people learn from what happens to thos

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Roger Clarke
Great stuff Janet! Join an appropriate Committee or Board of APF, or EFA, and multiply your and our impacts. http://www.privacy.org.au/About/Contacts.html http://www.efa.org.au _ At 12:22 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke <

Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Janet Hawtin
On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke wrote: > At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: > >Where do security/privacy overlap? > > Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology. > I am playing an online computer game. It used to have trouble with bot players distortin

[LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

2013-12-18 Thread Roger Clarke
At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote: >Where do security/privacy overlap? Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology. It was created by national security extremists to get control of the agenda. There are multiple alternative scope definitions, from data, via the