Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-24 Thread Graves, Aaron
How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Aaron -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.e

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-24 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: "Graves, Aaron" To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Date: 08/24/2010 03:16 PM Subject: Virtualization with the Best TCO? How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Be

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-24 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 8/24/2010 at 03:15 PM, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: > How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? > > http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf If I were to say what I really think about this, I would most likely be perceived as bashing a competitor. I don't wa

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-24 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: > How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? > > http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf Not sure what you're looking for, Aaron, as Red Hat says nothing about System z, limiting the comparison of their

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread John Summerfield
Mark Post wrote: On 8/24/2010 at 03:15 PM, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf If I were to say what I really think about this, I would most likely be perceived as bashing a competitor.

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Graves, Aaron
utside the perception of the distributed world. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:37 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On > Behalf Of Graves, Aaron > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:53 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? > > The implication is that the

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Harder, Pieter
>It is is not Intel, then it does not exist. How many Linux people (general >population) consider Linux on the z, i, or p? >Unless you came up in the z, i, >or p "world", those processors simply do not exist. "computer" is identically >equal to >"Intel processor". Then why are you talking about

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On > Behalf Of Harder, Pieter > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:08 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? > > >It is is not Intel,

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Agblad Tore
tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: den 25 augusti 2010 15:16 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? > -Orig

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Gentry, Stephen
RIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? Why don't we all from now on always mentioned zLinux in one way or another (depending on subject, situation) when we post comments at various sites, fa ce book, my sp ace, email, you name it. All of us here cover the world you know ! Why no

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Barton Robinson
.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:37 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? On Tuesday, 08/24/2010 at 03:16 EDT, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://w

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Emmett O'Grady
. bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com Sent by: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 08/25/2010 10:26 AM Please respond to LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? Isn't the real problem that the VMWare vendor(s) does a LOT of advertisin

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Alan Cox
> 2) BIggest savings is middleware - more virtual servers per unit (harware) > equals less in license costs IFF your software ia available on the system in question and your vendor charges the same for support on all platforms and you need support/run lots of licence encumbered software. At the e

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Shane
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 16:15 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > At the end of the day you can produce a comparison to make the sun shine > out of any particular backside. Dammit, that's worth stealing as a (attributed) sigline. Thanks Alan, now I can go to bed with my cynicism intact ... :0) Shane ... --

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread William D Carroll
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:15 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO? >> 2) BIggest savings is middleware - more virtual servers pe

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-25 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 08/25/2010 at 09:10 EDT, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: > The implication is that these represent the leading edge of virtualization, > completely ignoring z/VM's capabilities. This happens time after time, > conference after conference and webcast after webcast. It's almost like z/VM > wi

Re: Virtualization with the Best TCO?

2010-08-26 Thread Brad Hinson
On 08/24/2010 06:16 PM, Mark Post wrote: On 8/24/2010 at 03:15 PM, "Graves, Aaron" wrote: How about a z/VM zLinux response to this? http://www.computerworld.com/pdfs/RedHat_Enterprise_Linux_has_Best_TCO.pdf If I were to say what I really think about this, I would most likely be perceived a