Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Marc Lavallée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 22 Juin 2003 23:25, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > I never implied occlusion of the source code nor did I ever suggest > that I've worked out all the quirks out of the whole system. It is/was > a mere proposal to instigate a discussion at this point, not

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread rm
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 11:25:58PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > I don't care about Linux. > > So what in the world are you doing on a _linux_ audio dev list? i wouldn't mind this being free-audio-dev list. although i think it would lose some of the technical focus on the particular intricacies o

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> Guess what: your derived license would be incompatible with the GPL or any > OSI license. You don't understand what free software is. Here you go again, yakking making conclusions on your own doctored "facts." I never implied occlusion of the source code nor did I ever suggest that I've worked

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> Do we want to _become_ what our "competition" is? I don't think so. I > don't like pushy tactics. We are (by some measure) successsfull because > we are not like the "competition". Point well taken. However, as someone pointed out earlier, we need more contributors to our community in order to h

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Marc Lavallée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 22 Juin 2003 13:46, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > Again, please read what I've stated and then respond. I am not > advocating the change of GPL, but creating a new derived license which > simply ensures that the efforts of the open-source community prim

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread rm
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:52:47PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > Software would remain open-source. But the assumption is if you are > willing to part with the freedoms Linux and other GNU OS's offer, and > [...] > I disagree. It penalizes the company so that it cannot claim that it is > Unix-like

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
> Software would remain open-source. But the assumption is if you are > willing to part with the freedoms Linux and other GNU OS's offer, and > pay for a costlier system, as well as a bunch of shrink-wrapped apps, > then you might as well pay for the oss apps and help the oss community. > No one wo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [Sursound] UHJ live encoding / LADSPA plugin?

2003-06-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 10:50:39PM +0100, DG Malham wrote: > Not that I know of, yet. > > Dave > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, oliver thuns wrote: > > > hello, > > > > i'm looking for a solution to encode an ambisonics signal to 2 channel > > UHJ in real time. is there for example a LADSPA or (

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:46:30PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > > So basically, you want to restrict the use of a software to a specific > > > type of operating system? Like M$ does? > > > > Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and > > none of them have monopolistic

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Sursound] UHJ live encoding / LADSPA plugin?

2003-06-22 Thread DG Malham
Not that I know of, yet. Dave On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, oliver thuns wrote: > hello, > > i'm looking for a solution to encode an ambisonics signal to 2 channel > UHJ in real time. is there for example a LADSPA or (linux compatible) > VST plugin to do this? > > oliver > >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] 2.5.72 + ALSA + jack == happy monkey

2003-06-22 Thread cliffw
> Hi, > > lördagen den 21 juni 2003 09.18 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Wanted to post a quick success story with the 2.5 kernel series: > > Machine > > processor VIA C3 Ezra > > cpu MHz : 932.918 > > bogomips: 1843.20 > > 256MB ram > > > > Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technolog

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Paul Davis
>I would love to hear from Paul Davis on this issue since he is one of >the most involved contributors in this community when it comes to >monetary dependence. Paul? at the point you wrote this, i was at about mile 142 of a 200 mile bicycle ride through north-western new jersey. i finished 2 hours

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread rm
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:46:30PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > > So basically, you want to restrict the use of a software to a specific > > type of operating system? Like M$ does? > > Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and > none of them have monopolistic agenda like

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> So basically, you want to restrict the use of a software to a specific > type of operating system? Like M$ does? Not a _specific_ OS. There are _many_ open-source OS's out there and none of them have monopolistic agenda like Apple or M$. Nor do they use the open-source community efforts to promo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux fromproprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Marc Lavallée
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 22 Juin 2003 07:28, Ivica Bukvic a écrit : > Many of you have pointed out that limiting GPL would hinder the freedom > it stands for. I agree. I never meant to change THE GPL, but rather to > create an offspring GPL-like license that had my suggest

[linux-audio-dev] Re: linux-audio-dev digest, Vol 1 #519 - 10 msgs

2003-06-22 Thread Tom Weber
> > Now if you allow your Open Source Applications to be ported to this > > proprietary OSes, you strengthen this behaviour and weaken the Open > > Source Movement. People will get your software but will stick with OSX > > or whatever cause of this called Killerapps. Systems. > > Just to add a bit

RE: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-audio-dev- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik de Castro Lopo > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux > from proprietary world [w

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Linux Driver for Creamware Luna II

2003-06-22 Thread Balázs Gaál
There will be an OSX driver for the Creamware platform. Reverse engieneering will be more realistic then, won't it? Blaze1st

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:16:52 -0400 "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I really don't see this as a problem. > > Do you mind saying why? Well people using libsndfile means that there are less people rolling their own buggy implementations. This eventually means that libsndfile has to h

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linuxfrom proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]t

2003-06-22 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 10:19:21PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: >My point exactly :-). >Just to add a bit onto this issue is that we could still support >non-opensource systems, but they would need to purchase the software >(see my other e-mail with the Trolltech as an example). Dual licensing is a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New powermacs?

2003-06-22 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:53:38PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: (cut) >-- a unified and powerful underlying framework. Yet, that is not what >we're working on right now... I noted a lot of Mac OS X projects making use of libsndfile already. The common Unix base is a huge step forward. Now there are 2

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New form of GPL licence that protects Linux from proprietary world [was: New powermacs?]

2003-06-22 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 08:22:37PM -0400, Ivica Bukvic wrote: >However this brings up one interesting point/problem. Due to GPL nature >of Linux software, many of our efforts will seamlessly bleed into OS X >world since there are no restrictions as to which platform this software >is run on, and Ap