t be clueless, but
99.9% of the users on the system most definitely are
clueless, and there's only so much you can do to accommodate them.
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On Jul 14, 2007, at 3:26 AM, Enzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact
bserver on the same machine ?
What do you mean "good security solution"? This is the preferred
method of setting up Mailman, and most sites run it this way. What
problem do you have with that?
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you with OS-specific questions.
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> Anyone know how I can edit ALL the users in a given list, to change one
> option for all or most of the users at one time? Without using shell.
See FAQ 1.32 at
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.032.htp>.
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27;m getting the following error. Versions: Python 2.5.1,
> Mailman is 2.1.9.
IIRC, Python 2.5.x is too new for Mailman 2.1.9. Try going back to
the most recent version of Python 2.4.x, and see what happens.
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-
ne tools on the
server side, and to instead script them through the web interface.
Since what you want to do could be done through the web interface
anyway, what you want to achieve is just a matter of automating those
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On 7/8/07, Davy Durham wrote:
> Very nice.. thank you for the info.
>
> Now what would be really convenience in my situation is an operation
> that can unsubscribe everyone.
>
> Is there such a hidden feature or trick?
See FAQ 3.53.
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ny of various different actions on the message
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Is that not sufficient?
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I can't speak to the other problems.
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vents
you from replying to whatever address you want. What your client
allows you to do, or makes easy for you to do, that's a completely
different matter. If your client isn't letting you do what you want
to do, you need to fix your client.
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onal preference doesn't necessarily
make that a "Best Practice" that should be implemented everywhere --
other sites might prefer the NFS solution, or maybe something else.
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, but it can be useful for us to
provide links to where people can get support, in case someone else
in the future follows the same logic that you did.
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ke you might have a cron job
left lying around from before your upgrade and which is pulling up
the old wrapper script with the old configuration details, and isn't
working as desired.
At the very least, it wouldn't hurt to check your cron jobs to make
sure they're all in
ook into fixing the other things wrong with the domain -- see
<http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?%26domain%3Dstate.or.us>.
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.com/Newbe-question---Can-I-do-this-with-Mailman--tf3944271.html#a11188463
> Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I think we're going to have to fix this problem. They are not
authorized to act as a gateway of this list. I think this has to
stop. S
ause FAQ 4.75 didn't have
that keyword in the title or in the body. I've now fixed that.
Anyway, FAQ 4.75 provides about as much information as I know of that
exists on this topic. If you find out anything else, please let us
know.
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nd that can help you
figure out where the messages are originally being addressed.
> What's happening? I am running Mailman 2.1.8 on OpenBSD 4.0 with
> Postfix 2.3.2.
You might want to upgrade to Mailman 2.1.9, since there was a known
security vulnerability with version 2.1.8.
sers/2007-April/056659.html>.
If this does turn out to be related, then it sounds like we have
another issue to put into the FAQ Wizard.
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On 6/5/07, Art Campbell wrote:
> Any other software that does a
> comparable job?
Search the FAQ Wizard for "Joomla" or "PHPBB".
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you can only do that
through the output of "postconf -d".
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uot; and look for
them.
See also the postfix documentation on these values, especially
<http://www.postfix.org/rate.html>.
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m our website
and then made modifications to it.
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cross FAQ 3.42, which addresses one
specific problem with Google at the bottom. Make sure to go back and
re-read that one again.
If you've already seen that and this is not the problem you're
having, please help us understand how your situation is different
from the one descr
that address not only are they
automatically blacklisted but so is the IP address that did the
original scan, and so on.
However, this doesn't help you if you're just trying to run some
mailing lists for your customers or your community.
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at?
Without modifying the source code to Mailman, I don't think that
there is any way to do this.
> 3. Any way for moderators to be able to edit messages, both the subject and
> message bodies?
Search the FAQ wizard for "edit held messages".
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any
> such instructions.
Did you stop and restart Mailman?
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t postfix 2.5
experimental or non-production patch releases on the python.org mail
servers, so that we can give the newer code a try. ;)
Seriously, I am quite convinced that the problem here is a
mis-configuration between Mailman and postfix, and that neither
program is necessarily "at
Also, you did stop and restart Mailman after making these changes,
right? Have you tried stopping and restarting it again?
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ail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/038047.html>,
and more than sixty others.
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d may be
able to help you find someone who could help you implement that sort
of thing.
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On 5/24/07, Brad Knowles wrote:
> In short, I'd avoid this kind of solution like the plague, as far as
> postfix is concerned. It may be okay to store certain types of user
> mailboxes out on NFS (or other shared filesystem type), but not the
> mail queues themselves.
I sho
entire /usr/local/mailman hierarchy
out onto NFS, and Mailman should "just work" -- more or less. There
will be certain types of filesystem problems that even Mailman can't
solve for you in those kinds of situations, but it will do as much as
can be done.
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, etc... that are dedicated to supporting
your particular MTA.
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on over
there, or at least talk about the summary of the discussion.
That's your only real hope of getting anything done.
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rtant features
into Thunderbird, but that project is apparently a very long way away
from fruition. I'm going to have to find a new MUA pretty soon, and
it most likely won't be Thunderbird, and it certainly won't be
Thundora. Pretty much all other Eudora users are in that same boat.
n't know for
sure if I could do that kind of thing -- with reasonable guarantees
that it would all keep working correctly.
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r to be able to take any kind of action that would result in
an invitation being sent -- invitations should only be sent as a
result of direct manual action from the List Owner(s) or Moderator(s).
That is a subtle difference, and so far as I know this is not one
that Mailman is currently able t
was not clear to me.
No, Mailman does not have any method (that I know of) for making
lists "by invitation only". You can require approval from the
Moderator(s) or List Owner(s), but as you observed that's not the
same thing.
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#x27;s more of a major operational hassle/support nightmare than anything else.
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help at the moment.
I'll have to think about this some more, and see if anything comes to
mind.
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encourage you to search there, as well as searching the archives of
this list.
If this isn't already addressed in the FAQ, please let us know.
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mand-line moderation techniques discussed in FAQ 3.61.
Failing that, this FAQ also has instructions on how to manually throw
away all the offending files. However, before going this route, I'd
encourage you to search the FAQ for any other related entries, and to
also search the archives of this l
to
handle this kind of stuff, but you'd need to find the necessary
source module and make your changes there.
If you go this route, please consider contributing your changes back
to the project through the appropriate SourceForge "patch" page for
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r ability to support their
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If the above FAQ entries don't answer your questions, please let us
know and we'll try to clarify.
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of requests, but you'd need to find the necessary
source module and make your changes there.
If you go this route, please consider contributing your changes back
to the project through the appropriate SourceForge "patch" page for
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pre-installed source-only version of Mailman, as you
would have downloaded from one of our sites.
I have no idea how it would be applied to a cPanel installation.
Again, see FAQ 6.11.
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s to the source code.
This is a situation we're hoping to improve in the future, where
pretty much everything should go through some sort of templating
process, but we're not there today -- and I don't anticipate that
we'll be there in the immediate future, although I do ho
ble to help, you need to provide
some minimal baseline information.
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lp?
We don't run the postfix-users list. You'd have to talk to Wietse or
the other appropriate people over there.
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Forge page for the ht:dig
patches, and the documentation is included there. Search the
archives for details.
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particular, what you're looking
for is "Full Personalization".
> Similarly, there are some email clients that change the "From" to
> say on behalf of , how can I have the
> list simply put the sender's address and not have this "on behalf of"?
17.
If you have any more recent information, please feel free to update
that FAQ page.
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gt; ps: i have cpanel and mailman was installed via cpanel.
Then you may not be able to do any of the above. See FAQ 6.11.
In all likelihood, all your support requests are going to have to be
handled by your provider.
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ettings, and check your mail filtering settings.
Also try searching the FAQ for "discard", and the archives of the
list.
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some of them, and yes many of those do live
in Tennessee. You have my humblest and deepest apologies. Yes,
they're family. Yes, I love them. But yes, I do also owe you more
of an apology for the crimes they've committed against the English
language than you are ever li
ough the log
files, or a problem with the syslog program that postfix is sending
the log data to, etc....
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.9.
Ahh. Yeah, if at all possible, you definitely want to upgrade the
version of Mailman you've got. The patch should be applicable to
version 2.1.9, without too much hassle.
And the latest version of Python 2.3.x is the right one for use with
Mailman 2.1.9.
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already on 2.1.9, you might want to consider making that upgrade,
because I know that the more recent code has gotten more robust in
the face of weirdness on input, and continuing to operate as close to
normal as possible even though there may be some messages which don't
go through.
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On 5/2/07, Tim Tyler wrote:
> Is it possible to send html content through a mailman list? If so, how?
See FAQs 3.37 and 4.39, although the FAQs at 3.18 and 3.40 may also be useful.
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I will not bother you any
> more.
I don't do qmail, so I doubt I'm going to be able to provide much help.
I was just trying to help you find the right people that you need to
talk to, based on what I could understand of your situation with your
servers and who installed what, etc
there may have
been some things that were not done, or perhaps were done
differently, and you need to talk to the people who installed it for
you.
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On 5/1/07, Me Myself wrote:
> Is there a way to transfer list archives from one server to another without
> needing root access?
Not unless there are even more features that cPanel has added and
which we do not know about.
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it's the other version which is sending out the notices. Talk
to your service provider to find out for sure.
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;t currently have much for you in this area. We know
that this is an area of weakness, and are planning on fixing this in
upcoming versions. However, we do not otherwise have a whole lot of
details as to what will be going on when.
If you have specific requirements, I would urge you to j
different
inside your system and that the broken aliasing is happening
somewhere else.
Other than doing a "dumpdb" of all the lists and doing some visual
searching, I'm not sure that I've got an easy answer for you.
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ine. But I
also couldn't re-add this unusual address.
There's definitely some bugs in the code to handle the whitelist
addresses. I need to file my own bug report on this subject on
SourceForge, and I would encourage you to do the same.
Maybe then we could get Tokio or Mark to actu
archiving system for 2.2, but nothing
that I know of for 2.1.x. You could always use a different archiver,
such as mhonarc -- the details on how to do this should be covered in
the documentation and the FAQ Wizard.
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deal with base64 in a
transparent manner, so this is clearly also a client problem.
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have already responded. See
the other messages in that thread.
If there is anything that you are confused about, please let us know
specifically which parts are confusing, and we'll try to explain.
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that have to do with how mail clients structure
MIME and MIME/HTML messages and the limitations on what Mailman can
do.
Also, the FAQ 3.40/3.18/3.37 set of articles is another good one to
look at, when it comes to making customizations to Mailman, and the
limits on what you can do to change the lo
imited in what we can do.
Unfortunately, we're dependant on the rest of the cPanel/Mailman
community to help pitch in here, because the assistance we can
provide is very limited.
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best, we can try to guess.
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n for you. See
FAQ 4.51 for the details.
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#x27;s one advantage of a simple web user
interface.
Now, if these phones/PDAs are doing SMS messages that have been
gatewayed from Internet e-mail, then you're talking about a problem
with the gateway system, and there may not be a whole lot we can do
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is made,
and won't have any impact on any existing lists. So, you may need to
delete and re-create your list(s) after making changes to mm_cfg.py.
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do to help you with
any of these things.
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ed to the
project) would agree. However, who's actually going to write the
code to do this? When is that going to be incorporated into the
mainstream codebase, and for which version?
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ay that he's hoping to work towards
getting this stuff incorporated into the 2.3 tree (see
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/2006/08/20/Summer+of+Code+summary>).
I don't see any other obvious mentions of CSS or templating for 2.x,
but maybe I've missed something.
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ocess which is not clear, please
help us to understand what you're trying to do and which instructions
you've tried to follow, and we'll see if there's anything else we can
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technical writing talent & skills.
If you have information otherwise, please say so. I'm sure that
Barry and others will be relieved to know that someone else is taking
care of this issue.
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ck to the Mailman community. Of course, you should
also check the SourceForge "patch" page to see if anyone else has
already added that feature and contributed their code back to the
community, but which has not (yet) been accepted into the main
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ted back to the community.
You should also check the SourceForge patches page to see if anyone
else has made this kind of a modification, and contributed their
changes back to the Mailman project, although they may not have (yet)
been accepted into the mainstream codebase.
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in response to very specific and well crafted
> questions.
Yeah, well -- you get what you pay for.
Pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, and maybe you
can get a good professional author to spend their entire life to make
the FAQ a world-class document, the equal to which cannot
terms you used that did *not* pull up FAQ
1.26, and we'll try to get it modified to suit.
If you have any more information to add to that FAQ entry, please
feel free to make your own contribution (using the instructions
provided in the FAQ Wizard itself) and let us know.
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when you're working with archives and you want to
import or regenerate them, you always want to work from the original
"raw" mbox format files. That way you minimize the amount of
information that might accidentally be lost.
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lly using technical
> jargon here but I thought there was a way to control how fast emails are
> passed to an MTA.
See FAQ 4.51.
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alidatable!
> Does that help anyone to get to the bottom of this?
That's as far as I can go. Maybe Mark or Tokio will have more luck.
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going, I have no idea why
incoming mail would just be sitting in the queue and not being
processed.
Maybe Mark Sapiro or Tokio Kikuchi can help.
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> know the proper steps. (And if I missed the answers in my admittedly
> cursory search of the mailman-users archives, they should still be
> inserted into the FAQ.)
So far as I know, the FAQ is pretty complete on this topic. If
there's anythi
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7;ve misunderstood what you're asking.
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low the relevant links that are
provided.
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At 5:01 AM -0700 4/19/07, David Southwell wrote:
> Is there a mailman command that dumps the current running configuration
> options?
Did you search the FAQ Wizard or the documentation? Did you see FAQ 4.9?
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k I've ever ran into a single NFS environment that I would
call "well-managed". Some were not as badly managed as others, but
they all had major problems.
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these files might be accessed or modified --
otherwise you risk allowing others to access information that they
shouldn't be able to see, and you risk legitimate access being
inappropriately denied.
This is not a given in NFS server environments.
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