or that, but I think it should be workable.
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Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the
matter of boots, I defer to the a
a sometimes has to work harder than they
should to get patches accepted upstream before they can be shipped as
part of the distro.
I tend to think that solution causes more harm than good, no matter
how well-intentioned it may be.
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d should be
left alone. Just trying to see what grounds on which you want the
lawyers to complain.
ยน Because of those trademark restrictions, Debian ships the firefox
code with their patches under the name Iceweasel.
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of Mailman at this point, so I'd kindly ask that any hints someone has
to offer could be worded in a way that is approachable by a skilled
*NIX admin but not a developer or Mailman wizard. :-) Thanks!
JT
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t; Or to use digital signatures for sender verification. This is not
> something that Mailman currently supports.
I don't know if the patches at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/
would be helpful here or not. It's an attempt to add some OpenPGP and
S/MIME capabilities to Mailman.
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is still getting digest messages.
Where might I look to determine why the settings are not getting set to
non-digest? I have access on the server to the root files, but not sure
where to start looking.
Any help, direction, or guidance would be appreciated.
Regards,
-Todd
at might not be too hard.
Would fnmatch.translate work?
http://docs.python.org/library/fnmatch.html#fnmatch.translate
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User, n.: The word computer prof
d to san...@domain.com.
I've re-written my rules to only forward emails from actual users on my
domain in that form, and to not do any rewriting of the email address for
other emails.
Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction of thought!
-Todd
a single
entry of this email address). I'm currently at a loss as to why I'm unable
to get admin and moderator emails sent out to me --- any help would be
greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
-Todd
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stripped out and information on the FHS path modifications added.
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Truth is like a well-known whore. Eve
ide language directory
#templates/site/
#
# 4. the global default language directory
#templates/
The first match is used. So, if you only want to adjust the welcome
message for one list, use the first location above. Just copy the
stock welcome message to the desired location
rhaps because the permissions and
ownership on the aliases* files are not correct? The mailman install
manual details the proper permission and ownership commands you should
run:
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html
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bled, it's work
> fine. But i want set selinux to enable and postfix + mailman works
> fine...
A better place to get help on this would be a CentOS list or the
fedora-selinux-list. You would also need to include the full AVC
message from the audit log (/var/log/audit/audit.log).
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Kind regards,
Todd Andrews
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Searchable
s so they don't continue to consume more
and more disk space?
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3440 Market Street, Rm 477email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ox, then import
it into mailman using the procedure here:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq05.001.htp
A quick search for tools to convert ezmlm to mbox yielded a few
results. One was:
http://www.arctic.org/~dean/scripts/ezmlm2mbox
Hopefully that gets you started at
rd updates repo very soon as it
fixes CVE-2006-3636 (multiple cross-site scripting vulnerabilities).
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Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natura
you're migrating to a Fedora Core
system. Are you using the Fedora rpm packages of Mailman? This looks
like a bug in one of the patches that is applied in the Fedora/Red Hat
rpms.
If you're using the rpms, what version of Fedora are you running, and
what is the version and release of the
I recently had a large number of subscribers on one of my lists start bouncing.
I see their scores going up, but I can't figure out how to capture the bounce
messages to discover the reason.
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hash:/etc/postfix/aliases,
hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
[1] http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html
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~~
Now there&#
mailman via an rpm
- try ~mailman/bin, as the bin dir is typically in the mailman users
home directory
There are surely other ways to find this. In the end, you really need
to be more familiar with your OS and how the software on it is
installed.
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I am having major delays when sending messages out. I have several
lists with 20k-30k users. I just discovered that a message that was
sent out on October 25 is still being delivered. Other than the logs in
the /var/log/mailman directory, is there a diagnostics program or some
sort of reporting
EDHAT, located in /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9. I
mentioned this in reply to your question on the fedora users list just
yesterday (along with answers and links to the Postfix integration
instructions).
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list so I don't know if any of the Debian
maintainers are on it or if they've submitted any non-debian-specific
patches to the Mailman developers.
If they haven't, then I think they're being quite negligent -- as,
apparently, does the Debian policy guidelines.
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ddresses and quite a
bit of other info is available on the package info pages:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/mailman
http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mailman.html
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-leave address.
I don't know for sure if these were in 2.1.3, but I suspect they were.
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~~
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind
e changed
locations in the INSTALL.REDHAT file. That way you can translate
the advice you'll get here into what you need for your system.
For the benefit of others, that file is available in the Fedora cvs
tree here:
http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/*checkout*/rpms/mailman/F-7/mailman.INS
sent a message to a list where generic_nonmember_action is set
to hold and there wasn't any traceback or other error. Perhaps
there's something else at play? I wouldn't think the difference
between python 2.5 and 2.5.1 would be enough to cause this (though I'm
fa
our mm_cfg.py file,
> and your postfix/main.cf file?
>
> Also, you did stop and restart Mailman after making these changes,
> right? Have you tried stopping and restarting it again?
Just a guess, but have you looked for AVC denials or other messages if
you have SELinux enabled
James Dinkel wrote:
> Why does there need to be a patch to mailman? Could you just setup
> htdig and have it index the pipermail web pages?
That doesn't provide the per-list integration that Brian wants.
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one of them. My experience with cPanel is
intentionally limited. I found it incredibly annoying to have to
track down change after change that they'd made to the various parts
of the system.)
[1] http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444884/install.html
[2] http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/f
n the mailman admin and
it outputted exactly what I wanted.
Thanks again for your help.
Aaron Todd
Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Thanks for the information, but I do not seem to have the config_list
>> file in the bin directory. Could it be somewhere else? I have full
>> root acc
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base. See the long trail here:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=242740
The short summary for the bug is "bad installation when
/var/lib/mailman/pythonlib is a symlink."
(I've never found the Debian bugs page very easy to foll
Never mind I finally found a reference in one of Mr Shapiro's posts... The
Hide Address check box. I would have never figured that one out. Sorry for
the clutter.
Todd
Todd Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When I send a "who " mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e "production" lists (~100 people
each) do not. Is there some setting I am missing?
Todd
__
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
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need to finish them. And file a bug/feature request with the packager
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==
A "No&
installing, so
any such method that is used would have to be provided by your distro
and you'd likely have to ask them for help if it fails (or hope that
someone here uses the same distro and can tell you how to get it
working).
> Todd, my /usr/lib/mailman/subdir-files all have mail as GUID
ilman aliases file?
Postfix will execute the mailman wrapper as the group that the aliases
file belongs to, so you should be able to fix this by changing that
group to mail instead of mailman.
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.patch
>>
>> and nothing happens.
>
> You're missing the '<' input redirection. It needs to be
>
> patch -p2 < /usr/local/mailman/patch/listinclusion.patch
>
> Without the '<', the patch command tries to read the patch from your
> key
-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2551 Dec 15 21:09 listinclusion.patch
wal9100# patch -p2 /usr/local/mailman/patch/listinclusion.patch
and nothing happens.
wal9100# patch -v
patch 2.5.4
Copyright 1984-1988 Larry Wall
Copyright 1989-1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Todd
Greetings,
I'm trying to apply this patch to a mailman-2.1.9 installation but I
don't know how. Would somebody please help.
Thanks.
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3
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Todd Zullinger writes:
>
> > Nothing wrong with that. It's why open source is so nice. I have
> > the choice to find vendors and projects that share more of my
> > values than others may. If FHS compliance is really important to
>
Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:20 PM -0500 12/14/06, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
>> But what value would MacOSX specific integrations be to the
>> Mailman project?
>
> Well, if they fed their changes back to us, that would allow us to
> incorporate that into future vers
e interested in checking specifically what Apple has
changed about the Mailman code, it's there.
Ideally a few Apple users would hang out on this list and could help
to guide those who are asking for assistance and using the Apple
installe
nt requests).
Disclaimer: I don't know anything about the Apple packages and the
only Apple product I own is an iPod. :)
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==
Don't
d us-ascii, would this
break valid messages or only invalid ones (not that invalid ones could
necessarily be ignored, particularly if they were a significant
portion of the messages seen in reality :).
I'd be grateful if you could enlighten me on this.
Than
o scrub it and make it an
attachment rather than display it inline like the content-disposition
header requests as it does seem to be quite valid by the RFC.
On the other hand, it might be easier to verify the sig if the diff
file is linked and downloaded so
Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
[...]
>>Poking in the email package (on python 2.4.4) shows:
>>
>>def get_content_charset(self, failobj=None):
>>"""Return the charset parameter of the Content-Type header.
>>
>>Th
as said since, the email package is
improved now and it may not even be necessary to test the get_payload
output. That's up to you guys though, you've seen far more odd things
people try to archive than I want to see. :)
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s method in Scrubber.py?
BTW, if it's easier for you guys to track this in bugzilla, let me
know and I'll file on one SF.
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==
The marvel of all
parts should be scrubbed to text/plain by now.
partctype = part.get_content_type()
Thanks Mark and Tokio for digging into this.
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==
Ever
messages
that trigger this either.
> Can you just send me the original message that has parts lost?
Attached is the original message from the list mbox and one that I
munged up to included a content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii.
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there are
significant deviations from Mailman's source other than the FHS patch
that they apply. If you think it's relevant, I can install from
source and test as well.
Thanks,
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lain;
charset=us-ascii. Is the scrubber wrong to not assume this or are
there too many issues with making this (apparently quite standards
conformant) assumption?
[1] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2006-December/029976.html
[2] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2045.txt
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tter shape and have run
into the same issue.
I'm seriously lacking in the skill to fix pipermail or I'd take Barry
up on trying to fix it.
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=
anch.
According to the docs for email.Generator, mangle_from defaults to
True and has since at least python 2.3. So setting it shouldn't be
needed AFAICS.
In that case, shouldn't any message that reaches mailman with an
unescaped From_ line in the body already be handled properly? It
seem
who
aren't familiar with them:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-laptop-list/2006-December/thread.html
Certainly looks like pipermail, doesn't it?
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=
ation of the list archives with rm whereas
with bin/arch you don't. And if you put a typo into bin/arch it can
at worst wipe out the archives of the wrong list, not large chunks of
your file system.
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up
system and got the same results. Any ideas?
Todd Seeleman
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m the admin
page. When I remove the additional list operation returns to normal.
I've checked_perms, restarted apache & mailman, and searched the FAQ all
with no luck. I seem to be on the boarder of some system limit. Any ideas?
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for each sub-list, add the
> posting address of the umbrella lis to acceptable_aliases or, if you
> prefer, set require_explicit_destination to No.
>
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e
> posting address of the umbrella lis to acceptable_aliases or, if you
> prefer, set require_explicit_destination to No.
>
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:34:32PM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Default Mailman settings use a VERP delimiter of '+', not '-'. It is
Not exactly. By default, Mailman expects that the MTA uses a plus, and
not a minus, but it shouldn't be hard-coded. Qmail, for example,
defaults to using a minus as
I've Googled around, and haven't seen anything useful. I'm hoping
someone else can point me in the right direction here.
I'm running Postfix 2.1.5 with the following key definitions:
recipient_delimiter = -
smtpd_authorized_verp_clients = $mynetworks
owner_request_special = no
an
uot;, line 122, in main
> line = sys.stdin.readline()
Thanks,
Todd Seeleman
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ystem, not with Mailman.
You're more likely to get a quick answer from one of the FreeBSD
lists[1].
[1] http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
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=
done, you should check that the permissions
are correct for the alias files ($PREFIX/data/aliases{,.db}). They
should be owner and group mailman and group writable.
See the mailman installation manual for more details:
http://mailman.sourceforg
refox was picking up the password, but was NOT offering
> it back on later visits, I'll accept the argument that the basic
> problem is really in Firefox. Apparently so do they, and they've
> fixed it in an upcoming release, see my recent previous message.
Glad to hear it.
-
need to use
both a username and password or that the password field needs to be
named password, then I'm just going to chuckle.
If there is something actually broken about the way that mailman's
admin page presents itself and makes it impossible for a sane browser
to save the passwor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
> On 9/5/06, Todd Zullinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If firefox has profiles, they're not in the menu and not in the help
> (under that name).
I don't know the various ways to change the profile
this isn't something specific to your firefox
config/system setup?
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Vote early and vote often.
-- Al Capone (1899-1947)
-BEG
remark like that directed at one of the more helpful people on the
list? Wow.
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Man was made at the end of the week's work when God was tired
g, change any references to the old list to the newlist
c) bin/config_list -i config newlist
> 3. Rename a list?
Renaming is a minor pain. Perhaps it's best to search the archives.
I've done it but not often enough that I could give you the steps from
memory.
-
at can be used to do this. There
are also some scripts to drive the web interface that may be able to
do this, but I don't recall the location of those at the moment
(somewhere on starship.python.org).
> 3.Rename a list?
Also not possible from the web interface AFAIK.
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with
those Apple packages.
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Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels so good.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.4.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm just concerned that sharing might not be the intention of the
> system owner.
No problem. Sharing this source code is perfectly fine with the
system owner. I know him well enough to know that implicitly.
provided as part of the cPanel installation. If you have
reason to believe that there are other factors which would prohibit
the system owner from sharing that source code, feel free to point
those out. But of course, I've already posted the diff and don't plan
to retract it. ;)
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her large (~ 7MB unzipped)! This source came
from /usr/local/cpanel/src/3rdparty/gpl/mailman-2.1.7 on a cpanel
system.
The diff:
http://pobox.com/~tmz/mailman-2.1.7-cpanel.diff.bz2 (1.7MB)
Let me know if you want any other info from the cpanel system and I'll
do my best to get it for yo
software. That leaves a
bad taste in *my* mouth, and I'm not even a significant contributor to
Mailman.
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list server ".mylistserver.org" (not the domain
of the frame) to the sites as "always allow".
Here is a note from Microsoft on their handling of cookies.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/260971/en-us>.
I still do not know wha
s?
I have seen that if I access the sight unframed then it works works fine
framed. I assume this is a result of cookie being dropped in a manner that is
accessible everywhere.
Thanks in advance,
Todd
-
All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire
. :-)
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers@python.org/msg08110.html
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If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
t; What am I missing? Or do I have to delete the RPM install and
> install from source --with-mail-gid=nobody?
No need to do that. The rpm's should work. I've used them
successfully.
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===
ched your mailbox. There are
probably some scripts like this in the FAQ, and there are surely some
in the list archives. Jon Carnes posted some way back, IIRC.
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==
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Ryan Steele wrote:
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
[...]
>> If RedirectPermanent broke things horribly, it likely wouldn't be
>> in the FAQ. It should only cause one redirection, from http to
>> https.
>>
>>
> I
I wouldn't have to do that for every list.
This is a setting that goes into mm_cfg.py, so it's done once for the
whole mailman installation. You would then regenerate the archives
for each list so that any links are correc
mp;file=faq04.027.htp>
> ?
Don't you also need to set PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL as well?
Something like this is what I've done in the past, but it's been
a while since I setup an installation using SSL that had archiving
enabled.
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)
rded". I
have entered an address and set the option "Should messages from
non-members, which are automatically discarded, be forwarded to the list
moderator?" to "no" and the administrators and moderators still get notices.
What am I missing.
Cheers,
Todd C. Wil
ts (or so I hear).
But it is a minor irritation every time I am in the web admin for a
list and just want to scan through it checking visually for things out
of the ordinary. Fortunately, I have shell access (hell, root access)
everywhere I manage lists. So I'm never unable to just open a
ter
anel:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp
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ectory will contain symlinks to
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Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
s
ossible that your apache setup is looking in the wrong place for the
archives?
Are the archive mboxes getting created? On a standard source install
they should be at:
$prefix/archives/private/$listname.mbox/$listname.mbox
The FC5 package has them at:
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/$listnam
operly. Anyway, you can use setenforce 0 to
turn off selinux temporarily if you want to check that.
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==
Ever notice that even the busiest people are ne
st servers reject mail with those headers I think
they're wrong on that.
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==
It was probably drugs more than anything else that made me a
L
ailman:
# chkconfig postfix on
# chkconfig mailman on
(Sorry if that's glaringly obvious already. :)
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==
Plagiarism saves time.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATUR
ion yet. I'll hopefully get a chance to
submit a bug to Fedora on this so it can get fixed, but for now, it's
a no go unless you are real adept at managing SELinux (which I think
only a very small handful of folks are).
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> http://newhost.name/mailman/admin/listname ...it's just the admin
> listing and the server's main http://oldhost.name/mailman/listinfo that
> I can't seem to get to switch over. Is there a way to do this?
Have you run ~mailman/bin/fix_url.py?
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signed outer part and an
> application/pgp-signature part added.
Thanks for the detective work Mark. I submitted this to the RH/Fedora
bugzilla so that it may be fixed there with an update before it bites
too many others.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=192625
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