Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
They have a couple of Prius taxis running around here too. Ridiculous looking things with green leaf decals applied all over them. What happened to Checkers?? Now THAT was a taxi cab. Allan Rich Thomas writes: > In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a Pious taxi. They had a > whole fleet

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a Pious taxi. They had a whole fleet of the things. The driver said it was great because of all the hills he had to go up and down, it kept the battery charged up and kept his fuel usage low. (I know about thermodynamics... just telling you what the dr

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Dieselhead
Apples/oranges Jim I am talking about gasoline engines, You are talking about EV/hybrid. I grant the point about relays can fail. However the failure if generally no go, not full speed ahead. The old military manual battery disconnect is still a good solution. I was taking it further by mo

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Peter Frederick
Yup, the drains in the head would clog, allowing the valve cover to fill up with oil. when it got high enough, it would suck down into the intake through the breather and off it would go until the level dropped down. Easy fix, just clear the broken valve seal bits out of the drains. My ol

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley
Brian Toscano wrote: Not all drivebywire systems are faulty. I had a 2000 VW TDI that never had any problems and never heard of any runaway vehicles. My brother had a 1976 VW Rabbit Diesel with runaway problems. Under the right (wrong) conditions it would go 40-50 mph on its own oil blo

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley
I was thinking of rerouting the power to the fuel pump through a driver accessible switch. Mitch. Gerry Archer wrote: If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry __

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Brian Toscano
"Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's > will to 80 mph > > > > >> >>> If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind >>> >&

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph > If I bought one (which is

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
Fmiser writes: > As a electronics professional, what is needed is not a "personal > computer" expert but someone skilled in hardware and embedded > system customization and modification. Agreed, such systems have little in common with desktop and server computers. I still don't want any of it.

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey
To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery master switch on the dash. Relays are trouble points too, don't forget. I think the trad

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Dieselhead
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s) and mount it within reach. Gerry To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. Thi

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-03 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph Some cars, the ignition and/or

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Hendrik & Fay
This would be an ideal thing for the black box to explain, if fitted. Hendrik who has black boxes in his cars but they are generally relays and such On 01/06/12 10:13, Allan Streib wrote: Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. "Gerry Archer" w

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Fmiser
> > "Gerry Archer" writes: > > > > I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the > > list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably > > diagnose and fix a highly computerized car. > Allan Streib wrote: > > Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my > cars

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Dieselhead
Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a request to the computer. Same for the shift lever. I think a big red "Emergency shutoff" pushbutton switch should be mounted in the center of the steering wheel of those POS "fly by wire" vehicles. Another reason I don't want

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread G Mann
Relax. the circuit board you trust with your life at 85 MPH was built by $4 a week skilled labor in China, with quality controls what could possibly go wrong You know.. by the same company that was the lowest bidder for the contract that builds all the electric oil pumps... besides..

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Dan Penoff
Agreed. Dan also computer professional On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > "Gerry Archer" writes: > >> I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list >> haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a >> highly computerized car. > > Speak

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Allan Streib
"Gerry Archer" writes: > I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list > haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a > highly computerized car. Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be manually operated. Allan -- 1983

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Gerry Archer
Was looking at the new lineup of Priuses. Sales lady was trying to sell me a 2009 with seven years gaurantee on the battery and 100K on the car. I suggested that her price was high considering that the 2009 was in the group that had runaway problems. She said that all one must do is take it o

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Mitch Haley
G Mann wrote: Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at "Mach-a-lot"... Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread G Mann
Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at "Mach-a-lot"... Or does anyone actually drive a car these days? On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:45

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Larry T wrote: After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. Any decent car should be able to keep all four wheels near the point of lockup from top speed to zero without the engine working against them. Are some engines more powerful than t

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy I do. My associate has one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets good gas mileage. It is the only car made in the last 30 years, outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat. 32 to 25 mpg for a car that size is pretty

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Russ Williams
80 Mph isn't fast On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs d

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy w

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Raises hand... Walt On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, "Randy Bennell" wrote: > > Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? > > Randy > > On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: > >> The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car >> accident, which occurred to the latest model of

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Larry T
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and im

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed int

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Rich Thomas
What is most puzzling is that it could accelerate to 129km/hr --R On 5/31/12 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the throttle. 99% chance. "Gerry Archer" writes: > The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car > accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The > car began accelerating against the driver's

[MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Archer
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-201