Now that's more than a little disingenuous. Until a week or so ago,
pretty much all of the FIOS plans were asynchronous - a 15meg down/5meg
up network was not designed for web browsing and email.
For that matter, Verizon is currently billing their lowest speed FIOS
plan, at 50up/50down as
On Thursday, July 17, 2014 12:24:45 PM Nick Hilliard wrote:
there are other drawbacks too: the difference in
convergence time between 24k prefixes and a full dfz
is usually going to be large although I haven't tested
this on an me3600x yet.
Not having to install the routes into FIB (even
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
http://blog.netflix.com/2014/03/internet-tolls-and-case-for-strong-net.html
You are aware that there are, probably, thousands of eyeball networks
doing
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:53:51PM -0700, Richard Bennett wrote:
In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
http://blog.netflix.com/2014/03/internet-tolls-and-case-for-strong-net.html
Strong net neutrality additionally prevents ISPs from charging a
toll for
Wait, I'm confused?
Of the ISPs can't handle 5mbps of traffic when a customer wants to watch
TV, why the hell are they selling 100mbps plans!?!
Answer that with something other than because the ISPs more lucrative
content business is threatened by Netflix?
Stop trying to hide what this so
route-views will confirm that Netflix peer with a number of access
providers, including the large ones; press releases related to
OpenConnect imply that no money is passing hands.
You'll note that, in spite of his wordy replies, never once does
Richard Bennett disclose who is funding him and AEI.
Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Can you say more about what you've done to survey and quantify prevailing
practices?
https://www.pch.net/resources/papers//peering-survey/PCH-Peering-Survey-2011.pdf
We’ll do another one in the
Paul WALL wrote:
route-views will confirm that Netflix peer with a number of access
providers, including the large ones; press releases related to
OpenConnect imply that no money is passing hands.
You'll note that, in spite of his wordy replies, never once does
Richard Bennett disclose who is
I have been looking into DWDM light meters.
The JDSU looks good, but I see other brands out there.
Does anyone have some recommendations, things to look out for?
Thanks,
Tim Kaufman
I should elaborate the JDSU OCC-56C looks decent.
Also any suggestions on basic OSA's?
We have a few spans with both passive and boosted light DWDM.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Kaufman
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:13 AM
To:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote:
However, I can say what global prevailing business practice
is, since I’ve actually surveyed and quantified it:
Each network [..] pays their own way to the IXP of their
choice that the other party is present at, each network
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
The data set suffers three flaws:
Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
1. It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the Internet.
There are an infinite number of things it’s not
- Original Message -
From: Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
The data set suffers three flaws:
Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
1. It is not representative of the actual traffic
I don¹t know that getting a comparison of all these vendors will do
anything for you as each one will have something that tops each other.
What I¹ve always done is put my list together of features that I need to
run my business and see where each one of the vendors sits after that.
You can
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
It is not representative of the actual traffic flows on the Internet.
Traffic flows on the Internet is a different survey of a different thing.
He didn't mean TCP Flows, I don't think; he was simply -- as I
understood him
On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote:
On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
The data set suffers three flaws:
Depending on your point of view, a lot more than three, undoubtedly.
1. It is not representative of the actual traffic
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Dorian Kim dor...@blackrose.org wrote:
This most likely won’t happen unless it becomes some sort of an
international treaty obligation and even then it would end up in courts for
a long time. Leaving aside data privacy requirements many carriers have,
most
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
Yeah, because when I pay UPS on my corporate account to pick up a
package in California and deliver it to me in Virginia, the guy at the
pickup in
Howdy,
I'm looking for reccomendations for a copper-loop test set that can
effectively troubleshoot SHDSL. I'm looking for more than 'yup, I got
sync' - it would be very helpful to be able to see noise/interference as
well as calculate loop length, check bridge taps, and any other kind of
I should elaborate the JDSU OCC-56C looks decent.
Also maybe the ODPM-48.
Also any suggestions on basic OSA's?
We have a few spans with both passive and boosted light DWDM.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Kaufman
Sent: Monday, July 28,
It's hard to see a revolution when you're in the middle of it. As
consumers transition from watching multicast TV on the networks'
schedule past time-shifting and on to VoD, the traffic demands on the
infrastructure will grow by 25 - 40 times. Similarly, the Internet will
shift from a tool for
On 7/28/2014 1:25 PM, Mike wrote:
Howdy,
I'm looking for reccomendations for a copper-loop test set that
can effectively troubleshoot SHDSL. I'm looking for more than 'yup, I
got sync' - it would be very helpful to be able to see
noise/interference as well as calculate loop length, check
Astroturfing doesn’t require a fake organization, just fraudulent use of an
organization claiming to be grass roots.
I guarantee you that the majority of the communities represented by those
organizations probably don’t even understand the issue. Of those that do, I
suspect that if you polled
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
I don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is for the
eyeballs to pay for the entire cost of the network and for edge providers to
use it for free; isn't that what Netflix is asking the FCC to impose
I don't have much to add to this discussion, but...
Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com writes:
I'm also not enthusiastic about relying on government programs
to upgrade infrastructure to fiber of some random spec, because the
entry of government into this market suppresses investments by
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
In fact Netflix is asking to connect to eyeball networks for free:
http://blog.netflix.com/2014/03/internet-tolls-and-case-for-strong-net.html
Strong net neutrality additionally prevents ISPs from charging a toll
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
It's hard to see a revolution when you're in the middle of it. [...], the
Internet will shift from a tool for
reading web sites and watching occasional cat videos to a system whose main
job (from the perspective of
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
And continued selling the product as described, long beyond any
reasonable doubt their customers expected it to work with Netflix.
Right through this very minute and beyond.
It would be amusing to see Netflix just call their bluff. And maybe
Owen, your mother should have told you that you need to play nice if you
want the other children to play with you.
On 7/28/14, 12:02 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
I don't think it's conflation, Joly, since the essence of NN is
On 28/07/14 19:33, Timothy Kaufman wrote:
Also maybe the ODPM-48.
I've got the CWDM version of this, and it does the job. Haven't explored
the test result downloading/archiving features (didn't expect them to
work with Linux anyway) but overall it was very helpful for measuring
loss across
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
There is nothing new under the sun, no matter how much you may protest
otherwise...
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy that reflects the intense
conservatism of a certain part of the Internet establishment. I'm
inclined to go for new services, new
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Richard Bennett rich...@bennett.com wrote:
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
There is nothing new under the sun, no matter how much you may protest
otherwise...
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy that reflects the intense conservatism of
a certain
I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said
eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown,
that's life. But if $IP_PROVIDER throttles it specifically, rather
than throttling me to (x),I consider that fraud.
I didn't pay for (x) bits/sec from some
We have the Solid Optics DWDM and CWDM power meters. Simple, inexpensive
and works well ...
http://www.solid-optics.com/category/cwdm-dwdm/power-meter ... n
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Tom Hill t...@ninjabadger.net wrote:
On 28/07/14 19:33, Timothy
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 01:38:03PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 7/28/14, 12:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
And continued selling the product as described, long beyond any
reasonable doubt their customers expected it to work with Netflix. Right
through this very minute and beyond.
It would
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Jim Richardson weaselkee...@gmail.com
wrote:
I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said
eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown,
that's life. But if $IP_PROVIDER throttles it specifically, rather
than
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