Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Ray Soucy
Thought this off-list reply would be of interest to many here: On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Daniel G. Kluge wrote: Hello Ray, on the Subject on DHCPv6 for MacOS, there were some discussions on the IPv6-dev lists on Apple, with the usual comment from Apple engineers, that they are not

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Matthew Kaufman
TJ wrote: It is still the router, a piece of managed infrastructure sending out the information - not like we are encouraging hosts to make up their own prefix info here ... and hosts choosing the low-order bits shouldn't matter that much. But that's the fatal flaw of autoconfiguration. Hosts

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Ray Soucy wrote: Looking for general feedback on IPv6 deployment to the edge. As it turns out delivering IPv6 to the edge in an academic setting has been a challenge. Common wisdom says to rely on SLAAC for IPv6 addressing, and in a perfect world it would make

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Ray Soucy
Thanks for the response, if only to force me put my thoughts down into words. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: ... My question is this: what are your goals?  What are you trying to achieve?  Force all authorized machines to register?  If so, why?  

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-18 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 01:29:54PM -0400, TJ wrote: You say hacks, others see it as relatively-speaking simple additions of more functionality. You can define any options you want for DHCPv6, write a draft and get community support. I don't see how that (continuously evolving DHCPv6 hacks) is

IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Ray Soucy
Looking for general feedback on IPv6 deployment to the edge. As it turns out delivering IPv6 to the edge in an academic setting has been a challenge. Common wisdom says to rely on SLAAC for IPv6 addressing, and in a perfect world it would make sense. Given that historically we have relied

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: As it turns out delivering IPv6 to the edge in an academic setting has been a challenge.  Common wisdom says to rely on SLAAC for IPv6 addressing, and in a perfect world it would make sense. Ray, Common wisdom says that? Our

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Ray Soucy
I thought someone had to respond to router solicitations for stateless autoconfig of global scope addresses to happen. On Linux you just don't run the radvd. On Cisco I think it's something like ipv6 nd suppress-ra in the interface config. Does that fail to prevent stateless autoconfig? Or is

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Nathan Ward
On 18/10/2009, at 2:28 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: As it turns out delivering IPv6 to the edge in an academic setting has been a challenge. Common wisdom says to rely on SLAAC for IPv6 addressing, and in a perfect world it would

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Karl Auer
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 20:55 -0400, Ray Soucy wrote: making use of SLAAC. The concern here is that older hosts with less than OK implementations will still enable IPv6 without regard for the stability and security concerns associated with IPv6. Some hosts - very dumb ones or very old ones,

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, Ray Soucy wrote: Given that historically we have relied on DHCP for a means of NAC and host registration, like many academic institutions, the idea of sweeping changes to accommodate IPv6 was just not going to happen in the near future. IETF has historically dropped the

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-17 Thread Clue Store
. What's folks experience in rolling this out the the customer ... be it DHCP or SLAAC?? Also from a BBA perspective?? On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Looking for general feedback on IPv6 deployment to the edge. As it turns out delivering IPv6 to the edge

Interview: Patrik Fältström on the role of go vernment in IPv6 deployment

2009-06-22 Thread Alex Band
We uploaded another interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrE1TEan4Jo To make sure we cover as many areas of the industry as possible, we asked Patrik Fältström on the role of government in IPv6 deployment. Patrik is Senior Consulting Engineer with Cisco, but has served as an advisor

RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Arno Meulenkamp
As part of our IPv6 training project, that consists of face to face training and on-line learning modules and testimonials, we are proud to announce the second in a series of interviews. Randy Bush (IIJ) discusses IPv6 deployment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCcigLJJbvU So far, we have

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Marc Manthey
Am 12.06.2009 um 19:05 schrieb Arno Meulenkamp: As part of our IPv6 training project, that consists of face to face training and on-line learning modules and testimonials, we are proud to announce the second in a series of interviews. Randy Bush (IIJ) discusses IPv6 deployment: http

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Arno Meulenkamp wrote: As part of our IPv6 training project, that consists of face to face training and on-line learning modules and testimonials, we are proud to announce the second in a series of interviews. Randy Bush (IIJ) discusses IPv6 deployment: http

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Arno Meulenkamp
On 12 Jun 2009, at 19:29 , Marc Manthey wrote: thanks but thats not Randy Bush its Andy Davidson Randy Bushs Video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3i6lDqWBM you are right! guess that tells me that cutting and pasting is dangerous.. thanks! :) Arno PGP.sig Description: This

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Ken A
the second in a series of interviews. Randy Bush (IIJ) discusses IPv6 deployment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCcigLJJbvU So far, we have interviewed 22 people from the community about their experiences and are very busy editing all the video material. In the coming months, you will be able

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Jorge Amodio
Randy Bush (IIJ) discusses IPv6 deployment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCcigLJJbvU Wow !!!, Randy with the anti-grumpyness filter sounds and looks quite different. Marvelous technologies of these days ... Cheers

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Randy Bush
Wow !!!, Randy with the anti-grumpyness filter sounds and looks quite different. it was the duct tape

Re: RIPE NCC interview about IPv6 deployment with Randy Bush

2009-06-12 Thread Jorge Amodio
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Randy Bushra...@psg.com wrote: Wow !!!, Randy with the anti-grumpyness filter sounds and looks quite different. it was the duct tape He, he, BTW your interview was really good. Hope some folks get the point that besides many of the challenges to transition to

RIPE NCC does a series of interviews about IPv6 deployment

2009-05-28 Thread Alex Band
As part of our IPv6 training project, that consists of face to face training and on-line learning modules and testimonials, I am proud to announce the first in a series of interviews. Andy Davidson of NetSumo ISP Consultancy discusses the IPv6 deployment they have done for their customers

Re: Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-28 Thread Jeroen Massar
deployment at both global and local levels. Our conclusions can be summarized by the following three points: 1.) IPv6 deployment is not seen as a pressing issue. 2.) We saw a lack of meaningful IPv6 traffic (mostly DNS/Domain and ICMP messages), possibly indicating that IPv6 networks are still

Re: Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-28 Thread William McCall
University), and Aman Shaikh (ATT Research), we studied the extent of IPv6 deployment at both global and local levels. Our conclusions can be summarized by the following three points: 1.) IPv6 deployment is not seen as a pressing issue. 2.) We saw a lack of meaningful IPv6 traffic (mostly DNS/Domain

Re: Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-28 Thread William McCall
Shaikh (ATT Research), we studied the extent of IPv6 deployment at both global and local levels. Our conclusions can be summarized by the following three points: 1.) IPv6 deployment is not seen as a pressing issue. Agreed. SPs are driven by customers. Customers, generally, still want the IPv4

Re: Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-28 Thread Harald Firing Karlsen
deployment at both global and local levels. Our conclusions can be summarized by the following three points: 1.) IPv6 deployment is not seen as a pressing issue. 2.) We saw a lack of meaningful IPv6 traffic (mostly DNS/Domain and ICMP messages), possibly indicating that IPv6 networks are still

Re: Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-28 Thread Nathan Ward
On 29/04/2009, at 5:30 AM, Harald Firing Karlsen wrote: Please check out the following link with some information/statistics from a LAN-party taking place in Norway (yeah, Norway is in Europe, not North America, but it stills give an overview): http://technet.gathering.org/?p=121 There

Study of IPv6 Deployment

2009-04-27 Thread Elliott Karpilovsky
Hello everyone. My name is Elliott Karpilovsky, a student at Princeton University. In collaboration with Alex Gerber (ATT Research), Dan Pei (ATT Research), Jennifer Rexford (Princeton University), and Aman Shaikh (ATT Research), we studied the extent of IPv6 deployment at both global and local

Re: IPv6 Deployment (Was: Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread Kevin Loch
Donald Stahl wrote: If ARIN is going to assign /48's, and people are blocking anything longer than /32- well then that's a problem :) To be specific, ARIN is currently assigning up to /48 out of 2620::/23. I noticed that http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html has the following

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
what problem is it that IPv6 is actually supposed to solve? that's an easy one. in 1993-5, the press was screaming that we were about to run out of ip space. a half-assed design was released. the press stopped screaming. victory was declared, everyone went home. and, as usual, ops and

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
Most of those features were completely gone by 1995 TLAs et alia lasted until 2000+. and i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. leaving larger address space as the sole practical benefit and no actual

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. recant i am told by a good friend who lurks that this was actually fixed a year or two ago. a team of ops-oriented folk were sufficiently persistent and strident to

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread John Curran
At 6:28 PM -0700 5/30/07, Randy Bush wrote: well, you get two points for copping to it. i lay on the train tracks and was squashed. Well, I became a contentious objector... (RFC1669). One can confirm a real sense of humor to the cosmos, because I now get to be lead advocate for the very

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:52:12 PDT, Randy Bush said: i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. recant i am told by a good friend who lurks that this was actually fixed a year or two ago. a team of

IPv6 Deployment (Was: Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-29 Thread Donald Stahl
We do have dual stack in all our customer sites, and at the time being didn't got complains or support calls that may be considered due to the . So far everyone who has contacted me has generally reported a positive experience with their transitions. The biggest complaints so far have

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