Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Jack Coats
In a town where I went to college, there were two separate, competing cable companies. Two complete cable plants across the entire town, both paying homage via pole rental to the phone and/or power companies. The cost of 'basic cable' was $6/mo and turn on/off was $50 (they stuck it to the college

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Evan Brown
> > 2. It is wickedly expensive to run *anything* - wires, pipes, fiber > optic cables - to every house in a given area. The cable company has > already done so and subsidized it with their TV service. > > Another thing here is that the cities/municipalities have to provide "franchising" to the op

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Michael Chaney
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > I understand where you're coming from and I think I agree with most of what > you're saying, but the part that worries me is the idea that this problem > could be self-correcting by consumers voting with their feet, so to speak. > Most Am

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > Unfortunately, the government-approved monopolies on cable and such do a > pretty complete job in preventing any significant competition in broadband. And THAT is the reason behind regulating them so heavily. They are allowed the monop

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Jack Coats
I am sure ALL the vendors will be just as transparent as your detailed telephone bill or hospital bills are. All the details will be there, but for 'simplification' several will be 'summarized' (the curmudgeon in me says that is a synonym for obfuscation). For those of us that are budget constrain

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - > I understand where you're coming from and I think I agree with most of > what you're saying, but the part that worries me is the idea that this > problem could be self-correcting by consumers voting with their feet, > so to speak. But as I will expound on lower in th

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - > So far, I am believing that this is just another scheme to allow > companies to 'enhance their revenue stream'. An no matter who they > extort the money > from, the only source of nickels into their revenue stream is from you > and me. Companies and other 'providers'

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-16 Thread Jack Coats
To me, it just seems like this is the culmination of the ISP shakeout that started years ago. Now mom and pop shops are no more, there are only a few large players at least for retail customers (non-fairly large business). And it is time to get deeper into the pockets of customers with additional

Re: [nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-15 Thread Chris McQuistion
I understand where you're coming from and I think I agree with most of what you're saying, but the part that worries me is the idea that this problem could be self-correcting by consumers voting with their feet, so to speak. Most Americans have 1 or 2 choices for broadband. That's it. I'm fortun

[nlug] NN and what it started as. (my opinion)

2010-12-15 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
Since the other thread was so thoroughly hijacked, I'll see about starting this one. I already started this with the topic correct, and with the warning about the content being of my own opinion. Net Neutrality, at least in the definition I have for it, is a good thing. I think it could easily