Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Robert Collins wrote: [...] C - If we can't make it harder to get races in, perhaps we can make it easier to get races out. We have pretty solid emergent statistics from every gate job that is run as check. What if set a policy that when a gate queue gets a race: - put a zuul stop all

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/16/2014 04:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Robert Collins wrote: [...] C - If we can't make it harder to get races in, perhaps we can make it easier to get races out. We have pretty solid emergent statistics from every gate job that is run as check. What if set a policy that when a gate

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014, Sean Dague wrote: So if we can't evolve the system back towards health, we need to just cut a bunch of stuff off until we can. +1 This is kind of the crux of the biscuit. As things stand there's so much noise that it's far too easy to think and act like it is somebody

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Joe Gordon
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/13/2014 06:47 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com mailto:dpri...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 09:24 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Mac Innes, Kiall
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 11:36 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: If someone can point me to a case where we've actually found this kind of bug with tempest / devstack, that would be great. I've just *never* seen it. I was the one that did most of the fixing for pg support in Nova, and have helped other

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Robert Collins
On 16 Jun 2014 20:33, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Robert Collins wrote: [...] C - If we can't make it harder to get races in, perhaps we can make it easier to get races out. We have pretty solid emergent statistics from every gate job that is run as check. What if set a

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/13/2014 06:47 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com mailto:dpri...@redhat.com wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Robert Collins
On 16 Jun 2014 22:33, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/16/2014 04:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Robert Collins wrote: [...] C - If we can't make it harder to get races in, perhaps we can make it easier to get races out. We have pretty solid emergent statistics from every gate job

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-16 Thread Joe Gordon
On Jun 14, 2014 11:12 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: You know its bad when you can't sleep because you're redesigning gate workflows in your head so I apologise that this email is perhaps not as rational, nor as organised, as usual - but , . :) Obviously this is

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-14 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/13/2014 06:47 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com mailto:dpri...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 09:24 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 12, 2014 8:37 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-14 Thread Robert Collins
You know its bad when you can't sleep because you're redesigning gate workflows in your head so I apologise that this email is perhaps not as rational, nor as organised, as usual - but , . :) Obviously this is very important to address, and if we can come up with something systemic I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/13/2014 02:36 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 22:10 -0400, Dan Prince wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 08:06 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: We're definitely deep into capacity issues, so it's going to be time to start making tougher decisions about things we decide aren't

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/12/2014 10:10 PM, Dan Prince wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 08:06 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: We're definitely deep into capacity issues, so it's going to be time to start making tougher decisions about things we decide aren't different enough to bother testing on every commit. In order to

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-13 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:31 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/13/2014 02:36 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 22:10 -0400, Dan Prince wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 08:06 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: We're definitely deep into capacity issues, so it's going to be time to start

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-13 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/13/2014 08:13 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:31 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/13/2014 02:36 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 22:10 -0400, Dan Prince wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 08:06 -0400, Sean Dague wrote: We're definitely deep into capacity

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-13 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 09:24 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 12, 2014 8:37 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu,

[openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Sean Dague
We're definitely deep into capacity issues, so it's going to be time to start making tougher decisions about things we decide aren't different enough to bother testing on every commit. Previously we've been testing Postgresql in the gate because it has a stricter interpretation of SQL than MySQL.

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Julien Danjou
On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: However Monty brought up a good point at Summit, that MySQL has a strict mode. That should actually enforce the same strictness. I would vote -1 on that, simply because using PostgreSQL should be more than that just doing strict SQL. For example, in

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/12/2014 08:15 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: However Monty brought up a good point at Summit, that MySQL has a strict mode. That should actually enforce the same strictness. I would vote -1 on that, simply because using PostgreSQL should be more than

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Julien Danjou
On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive based on the theory that they might one day be useful is something we just don't have the liberty to do any more. We've not seen an idle node in zuul in

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Mike Bayer
On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive based on the theory that they might one day be useful is something we just don't have the liberty to do any

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 6/12/2014 9:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive based on the theory that they might one day be useful is something

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Sean Dague
On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive based on the theory that they might one day be useful is

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Joe Gordon
On Jun 12, 2014 8:37 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Monty Taylor
On 06/12/2014 08:36 AM, Sean Dague wrote: On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping jobs alive based on the theory that

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] Sent: 12 June 2014 17:37 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate ... But if we're talking about a devstack

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2014-06-12 08:15:46 -0700: On 6/12/2014 9:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional tests? Not in an accurate manner, no. Keeping

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/12/2014 12:24 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 12, 2014 8:37 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net mailto:s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 6/12/2014 5:11 PM, Michael Still wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: We're definitely deep into capacity issues, so it's going to be time to start making tougher decisions about things we decide aren't different enough to bother testing on every

Re: [openstack-dev] Gate proposal - drop Postgresql configurations in the gate

2014-06-12 Thread Dan Prince
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 09:24 -0700, Joe Gordon wrote: On Jun 12, 2014 8:37 AM, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: On 06/12/2014 10:38 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: On 6/12/14, 8:26 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: On Thu, Jun 12 2014, Sean Dague wrote: That's not cacthable in unit or functional