Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Devine, James
EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve ravi wrote: > Devine, James wrote: >> what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we l

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Louis Proyect
Ted Winslow: "Leftists" doesn't point to just one way of thinking, feeling and acting does it? I suspect it's possible to find varying degrees of psychopathology among those self-described as leftists. The combination of a feeling of grandiosity with perception of the self as fragmented and compl

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-16 Thread Ted Winslow
ravi wrote: Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? "Leftists" doesn't point to just one way of thinking, feeling and acting does it? I suspect it's possible to find varying degrees of psychopatho

Re: RES: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-15 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
tarian. Probably quite a few women think Lowy is wonderful. J. - Original Message - From: "Renato Pompeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:28 AM Subject: [PEN-L] RES: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of B

RES: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-15 Thread Renato Pompeu
: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve I'm not either, I largely stayed away from that. The most interesting figures from my point of view were Walter Benjamin and Erich Fromm (the French Marxisant Michael Lowy made a study of Benjamin). Jurriaan

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I'm not either, I largely stayed away from that. The most interesting figures from my point of view were Walter Benjamin and Erich Fromm (the French Marxisant Michael Lowy made a study of Benjamin). The problem or limitation here is that a lot of this type of research is theoreticist and speculativ

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I wrote: > >what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Doug: > Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love > of suffering? strength of character, an unwillingness to sacrifice principle to the demands of the moment? an ability to understand that even

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
according the singer-songwriter Todd Snider, 84 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine > ( http://members.cox.net/gumpisms/ - > according to this site, 34% of the people who voted > Republ

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
EN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | > Study of Bush's > psyche touches a nerve > > > > Hmm... how would Lenin score? Abbie Hoffman? > > Lenin would say "I'm not scoring, I'm having a glass of > water". Abbie would > sa

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
> Hmm... how would Lenin score? Abbie Hoffman? Lenin would say "I'm not scoring, I'm having a glass of water". Abbie would say, "steal this survey". Seriously though, a distinction ought to be drawn between "authority" and "authoritarianism". For most of his life, Lenin did not have much authorit

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim writes: >what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? I thought Mr. Coyle had the funniest response to that... What Should We Do? "Organize to free Mumia." (He caveated his comment, as do I.) If there is a leftie syndrome, it's the decentralization of the whole body.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Did you notice how, in the movie "Forrest Gump", when Forrest flashes the Peace Sign to Jenny as she leaves on the bus - he also makes a Peace Sign with his lowered left hand as well ? ( http://members.cox.net/gumpisms/ - according to this site, 34% of the people who voted Republican in the last el

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
Congratulations, Ravi, you passed. Gene ravi wrote: Kenneth Campbell wrote: Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ra

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
Kenneth Campbell wrote: >>Devine, James wrote: >> >>>what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? >>> >> >>self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? >> >> --ravi > > Geez, Jim... > > This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. > huh? --ravi

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
Devine, James wrote: > what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? > self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
> Geez, Jim... > > This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. > > Ken. The Frankfurters produced the F-test (F for fascism) that tested for the presence of the authoritarian personality. (It seems to be an intellectual precursor of the study that the GUARDIAN reports on.) So only t

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Geez, Jim... This should be some kind of Lefty U. screening test. Ken. -- The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time. -- Friedrich Nietzsche >Devine, James wrote: >> what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists su

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
> what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? - "we are not worthy, we are not worthy" J.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jim wrote: >Hmm... how would Lenin score? Any guy allowing himself to be photographed scratching a cat, with his legs crossed, is flexible on your F-scale. Ken. -- The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest achievements (as well as one's deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity.

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Scanlan
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? self-importance? determinism? is that a neurosis? --ravi When I told my psychiatrist I was having an identity crisis, he said, "Just who in the hell do you think you are?" Dan Scanlan

Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread ravi
Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve Julian Borger in Washington Wednesday August 13, 2003 The Guardian A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuros

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L] Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's > psyche touches a nerve > > > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1017505,00.html> > > Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve > > Julian Borg

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I wrote: >what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Doug: Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering? strength of character, an unwillingness to sacrifice principle to the demands of the moment? an ability to unders

Re: Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Study of Bush's psyche touches a nerve

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: what kind of neurosis -- or psychosis -- do we leftists suffer from? Moral masochism? Self-denial, self-marginalization, and love of suffering?