Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2008-03-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
Added to TODO: o Remove pre-7.3 pg_dump code that assumes pg_depend does not exit --- Tom Lane wrote: > Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server de

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Ron Mayer
Robert Treat wrote: > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: >> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: >>> There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping >>> support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally >>> instituting tha

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:00:51 -0800 "Andrew Hammond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > software. I doubt there are any plans to trim the 7.3 branch from CVS > and I imagine that the community will be happy to work with anyone Considering we still have Pos

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Andrew Hammond
On Nov 29, 2007 11:11 AM, Ron Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Treat wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: > >> On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > >>> There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping > >>> support for old r

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Usama Dar
+1 On Nov 29, 2007 4:09 AM, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:04 -0500 Tom Lane wrote: > > > "Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >> Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addend

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:53:14 -0500 Robert Treat wrote: > I also think we should be a bit more generous on the EOL notice. Saying one > more > update after 8.3 is akin to giving a 1 month EOL notice; not friendly at all > imo. Set it for July 2008 and I think you have given plenty of notice (and

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:04 -0500 Tom Lane wrote: > "Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > >> Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release > >> of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. >

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tom Lane wrote: > Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server depends on >> whether there are any clients out there which use it which is harder to >> determine and not affected by whether Postgres 7.3 is still around. > > Right.

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:30:55 + Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandru Cârstoiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no > > need to support v2 in future database versions (s

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server depends on > whether there are any clients out there which use it which is harder to > determine and not affected by whether Postgres 7.3 is still around. Right. There's really not much

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread sulfinu
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Gregory Stark wrote: > > This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no need to > > support v2 in future database versions (starting with 8.3?). It would > > simplify code in interfaces like JDBC too. > > I think the second half of this is correct.

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Gregory Stark
Alexandru Cârstoiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no need to > support v2 in future database versions (starting with 8.3?). It would > simplify code in interfaces like JDBC too. I think the second half of this is correct. There would

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Alexandru Cârstoiu
I'm not a developper, but it occured to me that you should consider dropping the support for client-server wire protocol v2. I quote a comment I found in JDBC driver's code: // NOTE: To simplify this code, it is assumed that if we are // using the V3 protocol, then the database i

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread sulfinu
I'm not a developper, but it occured to me that you should consider dropping the support for client-server wire protocol v2. I quote a comment I found in JDBC driver's code: // NOTE: To simplify this code, it is assumed that if we are // using the V3 protocol, then the database i

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Tom Lane napsal(a): Comments, opinions? Is it time to remove old communication protocol support and cleanup code in 8.4? Zdenek ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:26 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > I assume you no longer need to maintain it for Redhat then? > > Well, I still do, nominally, but RHEL-3 is in maintenance mode > (meaning no more scheduled updates). It would take a fairly serious > bug to get Red Hat's attention to the

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 23:53 -0500, Robert Treat wrote: > I also think we should be a bit more generous on the EOL notice. > Saying one more update after 8.3 is akin to giving a 1 month EOL > notice; not friendly at all imo. Set it for July 2008 and I think you > have given plenty of notice (a

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Robert Treat
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > > There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping > > support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally > > instituting that? > > > > I see that t

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Tom, There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond that would be up to the

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
"Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release >> of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. > I know at least one customer who is using RHEL-3 and PG 7.3

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping >> support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally >> instituting that? > The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond > that woul

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, > There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping > support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally > instituting that? The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond that would be up to the vendors. Mind you, I don'

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release > of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. I know at least one customer who is using RHEL-3 and PG 7.3 on dozens machines worldwide. Yes, they are moving to 8.2

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Simon Riggs
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping > support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally > instituting that? > > I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE > bra

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Dave Page
Tom Lane wrote: > "Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> From: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE >>> branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the >>> actual policy should be "only one more update af

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Gevik Babakhani
> At some point back, I seem to recall the reason for bothering > to backpatch to 7.3 is that it had to be maintained for > RedHat anyway, so things might as well be backpatched? If > that requirements is gone, I think it's time to drop it. +1 > And +1 on pushing out one final "end of the tr

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
"Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE >> branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the >> actual policy should be "only one more update after 8.3 comes out". >

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > By chance I happened to notice in the release notes > > Release 7.3 > Release date: 2002-11-27 > > Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... > > There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping > support for o

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Dave Page
> --- Original Message --- > From: Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org > Sent: 27/11/07, 19:02:24 > Subject: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today > > I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE >

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:24 -0500 Tom Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By chance I happened to notice in the release notes > > Release 7.3 > Release date: 2002-11-27 > > Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... 5 years was a long tim

[HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
By chance I happened to notice in the release notes Release 7.3 Release date: 2002-11-27 Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting