Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-26 Thread Spam
> Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-26 Thread Spam
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 11:53:30AM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote: >> Hans Reiser wrote: >> > being able to cat dirname/pseudos/cat and get a >> > concatenation of all of the files is nice, and being able to cat >> > dirname/pseudos/tar and get an archive of the directory is nice >> >> Yes. Bein

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-26 Thread Spam
> Chris Wedgwood wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 02:00:49AM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote: >> >> > One of the big potential uses for file-as-directory is to go inside >> > archive files, ELF files, .iso files and so on in a convenient way. >> >> Arguably this belongs in userspace --- and people h

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-26 Thread Spam
> Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Keeping stuff in the kernel should make the new features >> transparent to the applications. > No, it will make just one special case, rename within the same > filesystem, work. (Well, two special cases, rm will al

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-26 Thread Spam
> Previously Spam wrote: >> How so? The whole idea is that the underlaying OS that handles the >> copying should also know to copy everything, otherwise you can >> implement everything into applications and just skip the whole >> filesystem part.

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-27 Thread Spam
Hello Markus, Friday, August 27, 2004, 11:21:31 AM, you wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 04:57:26PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: >>On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 16:50, Christophe Saout wrote: >>> are read-only and system-wide and the user-overridden changes. I don't >>> know if all of these things would real

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-28 Thread Spam
I am thinking that is there was a proper API for accessing the filesystem then this problem wouldn't arise because things could be done behind the curtains inside the API, instead of having all the tools to be rewritten to know. Think of FAT32, for example, the new filenames wi

Re: silent semantic changes in reiser4 (brief attempt to document the idea of what reiser4 wants to do with metafiles and why

2004-08-31 Thread Spam
>>>>>> "Spam" == Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: V13>> The only thing that changes (from the userland POV) is the way V13>> someone can enter the 'metadata directory'. This way you don't have V13>> to have a special name,

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-08-31 Thread Spam
> Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In a graphical environment, the "icon" stream is a good example of this. >> It literally has _nothing_ to do with the data in the main stream. The >> only linkage is a totally non-technical one, where the user wanted to >> associate a secondary

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> Linus Torvalds wrote: >> But _my_ point is, no user program is going to take _advantage_ of >> >>anything that only one filesystem on one system offers. >> >> > Apple does not have this problem > and yes, the apps will take advantage of it, which is different from > depending on it.

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
>> Depends on how the forks eventually get implemented. >> With the file-as-directory concept, all you need is to >> look at the file's directory part to see what is there. (The forks, >> implemented as files in a subdirectory.) It is done the same way >> as for an ordinary directory, so not

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> On Thu, 2004-09-02 at 11:22 -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: >> > For 30 years nothing much has happened in Unix filesystem semantics >> > because of sheer cowardice >> >> Or because it works fine, and isn't broken. > OK. I'm not a kernel hacker. I'm not a crack C programmer. Nor am I a >

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> On Iau, 2004-09-02 at 20:41, Spam wrote: >> > It is trivial to implement this by looking inside the files. I.e., the way >> > mc has done this for ages. >> >> Difference is that you can't do "locate" or "find" or "Search&qu

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:01:17PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: >> Better to have the contents accessible via a separate stream, in the >> same namespace. Fix it once in the kernel vs. fix it in umpteen >> apps. > This is ridiculous. We have shared libraries, 99% of applications > manage to use

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> On Iau, 2004-09-02 at 21:07, Spam wrote: >> > And would you rather that logic was running swappable in shared library >> > space or privileged and unswappable in kernel ? >> >> I would rather have it as a filesystem/vfs plugin that would allow >>

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > | On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 11:48:06PM +0200, Frank van Maarseveen wrote: > | |>>mount is nice for root, clumsy for user. And a rather complicated |>>way of accessing data the kernel has knowledge about in the first

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Martin J. Bligh wrote: |>>For 30 years nothing much has happened in Unix filesystem semantics |>>because of sheer cowardice > | > | > | Or because it works fine, and isn't broken. > Ok, maybe it wasn't cowardice. Maybe it was laziness. >

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-02 Thread Spam
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Oliver Neukum wrote: > | Am Donnerstag, 2. September 2004 11:52 schrieb Spam: > | |>> Btw, version control for ordinary files would be a great feature. I |>> think something like it is available through Window

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-03 Thread Spam
> On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 09:30:38PM +0200, Spam wrote: >> >> >> >> > Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > [...] >> >> >> The only new thing needed is the ability for something to be both >> >>

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-06 Thread Spam
> Hi! >> >> What if I do not use emacs, but vim, mcedit, gedit, or some other >> >> editor? It doesn't seem logical to have to patch every application >> >> that uses files. >> >> > We would have to do that in either case, so let's patch them to do it >> > in a nonintrusive way. And a

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-06 Thread Spam
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Frank van Maarseveen wrote: |>> |>>We have the mount command for that. :^) > | > | > | mount is nice for root, clumsy for user. And a rather complicated > | way of accessing data the kernel has knowledge about in the first > | place. For f

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives

2004-09-06 Thread Spam
> On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:59:25PM +0900, Clemens Schwaighofer wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Spam wrote: >> >> | thats why we have automount. >> | >> | >> |> Which still needs to be setup in

Re: The argument for fs assistance in handling archives (was: silent semantic changes with reiser4)

2004-09-06 Thread Spam
> Salut, > On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:43:02AM +0200, Spam wrote: >> Yes why not? If there was any filesystem drivers for the AudioCD >> format then it could. >> >> I had such a driver for Windows 9x which would display several >> folders and file

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-07 Thread Spam
> Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Additionally, files-as-directores does not solve the problem of >> > "cp a b" losing named streams. There is curently no copyfile syscall >> > in the Linux kernel, "cp a b" essentially does

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-07 Thread Spam
> Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> One suggestion is missed. It is to provide system calls for copy. >> That would also solve the problem. > No, it would not. If you read the POSIX.1 specification for cp > carefully <http://www.unix.org/version3/online

Re: silent semantic changes with reiser4

2004-09-07 Thread Spam
> Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Horst von Brand wrote: >> >Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >>Horst von Brand wrote: >> >>>Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >>>>Christer Weinigel <

Repacker cause fs corruption:

2004-09-14 Thread Spam
I tried the resier4 repacker yesterday on a 2GB device that I use for /usr/portage in Gentoo. This morning I found these errors in the kernel log: ## Repacker: I am alive, pid = 32717 reiser4[k_reiser4_repac(32717)]: renew_sibling_lin

Re: Repacker cause fs corruption:

2004-09-14 Thread Spam
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:59:08AM +0200, Spam wrote: >> >> I tried the resier4 repacker yesterday on a 2GB device that I use >> for /usr/portage in Gentoo. This morning I found these errors in the >> kernel log: > Thanks for the report. > How d

Re: Repacker cause fs corruption:

2004-09-14 Thread Spam
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 12:08:31PM +0200, Spam wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 10:59:08AM +0200, Spam wrote: >> >> >> >> I tried the resier4 repacker yesterday on a 2GB device that I use >> >> for /usr/portage in Gentoo. This

Repacker output

2004-09-21 Thread Spam
I have a suggestion about the repacker output. Currently the repacker shows something like this: Repacker: I am alive, pid = 7716 reiser4 repacker: 4395 formatted node(s) processed, 16858 unformatted node(s) processed, ret = 0 What I'd like to see is that both lines contained which device

Re: [patch] Repacker stats

2004-10-22 Thread Spam
Hello, I was interested in testing the repacker statistics tool that Piotr Neuman wrote (and others later added to). But from what I can see the repacker is disabled in 2.6.9-rc4-mm1, because of this patch: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.9-rc4/2.6.9-

Re: [patch] Repacker stats

2004-10-24 Thread Spam
>> Christian Mayrhuber wrote: >> On Friday 22 October 2004 19:38, Spam wrote: >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I was interested in testing the repacker statistics tool that Piotr >>> Neuman wrote (and others later added to). But from w

Re: when will it end?

2004-10-27 Thread Spam
> | current repacker code state is 'unsupported', it is even removed from the > | latest -mm kernels. Namesys plans are to make the repacker proprietary. > Really? > I sort of thought the priority was to get into the mainstream kernel, so > this seems an odd move. Why do something that decre

Re: when will it end?

2004-10-27 Thread Spam
> Spam wrote: >> >> Windows 2000 and later comes with a lite version of Diskeeper from >> Executive Software. >> > MS charges for the OS, so that business model works for them. Nobody > will buy a heavy resizer from us if there is a lite one. That would

Re: Reiser4 kernel modules

2004-11-06 Thread Spam
> --- Vladimir Saveliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> reiser4 needs some changes in kernel code. >> ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/reiser4-for-2.6.9 contains all things which >> are necessary to run reiser4 on 2.6.9 > Right now I go there and find only two files: > ncftp /pub/reiser4-for-2.6.9 > ls

Re: Reiser4 kernel modules

2004-11-06 Thread Spam
>> --- Vladimir Saveliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> reiser4 needs some changes in kernel code. >>> ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/reiser4-for-2.6.9 contains all things which >>> are necessary to run reiser4 on 2.6.9 >> Right now I go there and find only two files: >> ncftp /pub/reiser4-for-

Re: reiser4 and reiserfs co-existence?

2004-11-09 Thread Spam
> Funny thing is I did what you suggested, enabling all the debugging, > but it still freezes. Not immediately, but it still hangs. First I > get a segfault on any command I type into the console. After 10 secs > or so of this, It will freeze up. How in the world did you save that > stack

Re: reiser4 for windows

2004-12-07 Thread Spam
> On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 22:07 -0800, Jiri Klouda wrote: >> > Also, is it a given that reiser4 for windows would work without help >> > from MS? I've just never seen a third-party filesystem driver for >> > windows. You'd think that at least one other filesystem, one of the >> > Linux/BSD/etc one

Re: Need Warm Fuzzies, ReiserFS (3)

2004-12-20 Thread Spam
> On Monday 20 December 2004 16:38, Tom Vier wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 01:31:25PM +0100, Christian Mayrhuber wrote: >> > The barrier mount option should provide protection against a corrupted >> > journal during power failure for drives with write caching enabled. >> > (Mostly IDE) >>

Re: Need Warm Fuzzies, ReiserFS (3)

2004-12-20 Thread Spam
> On Monday 20 December 2004 17:32, Spam wrote: >> What happen with the performance when these barriers are active? > It's faster than with disk writecache off. > I didn't benchmark barriers=flush and writecache on. >> >> Is it only during power f

Re: Need Warm Fuzzies, ReiserFS (3)

2004-12-20 Thread Spam
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 09:31:10PM +0100, Spam wrote: >> If you have UPS then write-cache should never be dangerous? > It's not AS dangerous. You could still lose a psu or someone could trip over > the power cord from the computer to the ups. Indeed. For a server

Re: Congratulations! we have got hash function screwed up

2004-12-30 Thread Spam
> Esben Stien wrote (ao): >> I really don't like that there is no undelete feature in reiserfs - >> it's not planned for reiserfs-4 either. I see desperate users all the >> time trying to get back what they mistakenly removed. > If you 'see desperate users all the time' you might be amoung th

Re: Congratulations! we have got hash function screwed up

2004-12-30 Thread Spam
> Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In any case. Undelete has been since ages on many platforms. It IS a >> useful feature. Accidents CAN happen for many reasons and in some >> cases you may need to recover data. >> >> Besides, a deletion d

nvram to protect fs during power loss?

2004-12-30 Thread Spam
There have been some discussions about recovery abilities during power loss if write cache is enabled. Some recovery tool I saw once used NVRAM to store progress info so that if you had a power loss it would be able to resume. Perhaps it would be possible for Reiser4 to store some info,

Re: nvram to protect fs during power loss?

2004-12-31 Thread Spam
Dec 31, 2004 at 12:40:08AM +0100, Spam wrote: >> >> There have been some discussions about recovery abilities during >> power loss if write cache is enabled. Some recovery tool I saw once >> used NVRAM to store progress info so that if you had a power loss it

Re: nvram to protect fs during power loss?

2004-12-31 Thread Spam
; On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:46:20 +0200, Hendrik Visage > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 01:45:32PM +0100, Spam wrote: >> > >> > Yes, I know that good hardware already do use battery backups and >> > similar. But I was talking about n

Re: Congratulations! we have got hash function screwed up

2005-01-06 Thread Spam
generic bug in handling hash collisions? >>>Tea hash is designed to be more resistant. >>> >>> >> >>As the example posted shows, tea doesn't look better, it generates >>nicely-looking collisions, too. >> >> > You mean, in practice you hit them, or with an artificially ge

Re: Congratulations! we have got hash function screwed up

2005-01-06 Thread Spam
> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 05:13:23PM +0100, Spam wrote: >> >>>>generic bug in handling hash collisions? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>Tea hash is designed to be more resistant. >> >>> >> >>

Re: rebuild-tree working for more then 3 days- what to do?

2005-01-07 Thread Spam
> Hello > On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 15:11, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: >> On 07/01/2005, at 12:20, Vladimir Saveliev wrote: >> >> > I would move the problem hard disk to mashine which has (or can >> > download) latest reiserfsck >> > (http://thebsh.namesys.com/pub/reiserfsprogs/reiserfsprogs >> > -3.6.

Re: shrink reiserfs

2005-01-23 Thread Spam
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:49:56AM -0700, Jake Hawkes wrote: >> Alex Zarochentsev said: >> > Hello, >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 08:48:14AM -0700, Jake Hawkes wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> >> >> resize_reiserfs says that there are already too many allocated blocks. >> > >> > which resize_reiserfs

Where to get Reiser 4 Source -Class assignment

2005-11-25 Thread Spam
Trying to get a look at the Reiser 4 sourcecode for a class assignment. We are interested in the Tree Structure, Tree Balancing, and Reiser's use of compression. However, the how-to, namesys.com for d/ling the code using BitKeeper is outdated according to the BitKeeper people. Can someone t

Re: Quicker alternative to "find /"?

2004-08-16 Thread Spam
> Am Sonntag, den 15.08.2004, 23:16 +0200 schrieb Felix E. Klee: >> I'd like to store the directory structure of a partition formatted as >> ReiserFS into a file. Currently, I use >> >> find / >file >> >> This process takes approximately 5 minutes (the result is 26MB of >> data). Are there