Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

You miss my point. JSP is actually excellent, and very powerful and solves everything that it needed to do. Simpler is not better. There are people out there that only do JSP, and are not really into compiled java. Couldn't do that if the power wasn't there. Don't hassle JSP for not being some

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Arron - I think you are precisely right that this is why JSP is the way it is, power and f**ked-upedness and all. And JSP is a fine alternative to ASP, but it is just ASP for Java. This does not justify the way it was done, it's just an excuse for why it is the way it is. (Sorry, gotta b

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Well, <%= %> doesn't really clutter your code Actually, what I personally prefer, after all the custom tags are said and done, is to do this: <% String myValue = request.getAttribuite"aksjhdkjahsd"); %> Cool Link However, all this is beside the point for dynamic content. What I like is

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Do you really think that JSP was made simply to do a templating engine to make life easeir for designers and people who only do markup?... JSP had to fight back at ASP. Something you can hack immediately, no compiling and just run it. Really sweet and easy to get anyone going on the road to a s

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Joseph Barefoot wrote: >>Hm. Seems to me that if you have done your configration correctly and >>published the content that is available to the designer, they should >>have no problem using URL-bases from your configuration content. Maybe >>I have jsut made it too easy on myself and the desig

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

> Hm. Seems to me that if you have done your configration correctly and > published the content that is available to the designer, they should > have no problem using URL-bases from your configuration content. Maybe > I have jsut made it too easy on myself and the designers I have worked > with

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Tero P Paananen wrote: Rubbish! I work with graphics designers. They barely know HTML. Now you want them to remember 40 other tags? >>>That's why you hire people with HTML/creative >>>development skills. >>> >>>Or invest in training the designers. >>> > >>Yeah, sure. Any probl

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Joseph Barefoot wrote: >>Graphics folks >>can produce plain old HTML pages, bust them up into subtemplates, add a >>few easily understood tags, and wallah! What's more, the pages render >>nicely in a plain old browser (sans dynamic content of course). I don't >>think JSP can do that. Sorry, bu

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

> >>Rubbish! I work with graphics designers. They barely know > >>HTML. Now you want them to remember 40 other tags? > > > > That's why you hire people with HTML/creative > > development skills. > > > > Or invest in training the designers. > Yeah, sure. Any problem can be solved if we thr

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Yeah, sure. Any problem can be solved if we throw enough money at it, right? It does not matter if it is architecturally bad, just hire more people to work around it. Good idea. Seems like that has worked for a lot of big companies... Tero P Paananen wrote: >>Rubbish! I work with graphi

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

> Graphics folks > can produce plain old HTML pages, bust them up into subtemplates, add a > few easily understood tags, and wallah! What's more, the pages render > nicely in a plain old browser (sans dynamic content of course). I don't > think JSP can do that. Sorry, but I like to keep things

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

I think custom tags is the solution. For example, i'm coding a forum component. The view of this component are JSP. In this JSP i have custom tags like or and so on. I think this is useful if you are writing a componente that will be reusable, in othe cases it have not sense, but if your compo

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

> Rubbish! I work with graphics designers. They barely know > HTML. Now you want them to remember 40 other tags? That's why you hire people with HTML/creative development skills. Or invest in training the designers. -TPP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > At the end of the day, *somebody* has to ultimately render HTML if a web > browser is your client -- whether it is the page developer writing it by > hand or some dynamic component that is doing part of the rendering for > you. Whether it's JSP or not is hardly th

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Joe Osowski wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:34:43 -0400 > From: Joe Osowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: T

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

rs Mailing List Subject: RE: Tab Libraries? Bah! IMHO JSP and technologies like it are fundamentally flawed. However, I have not tried out other Java dynamic web presentation frameworks/technologies. Enhydra's (http://www.enhydra.org/) architecture sounds promising. As I understand it th

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

> Enhydra's (http://www.enhydra.org/) architecture sounds > promising. As I > understand it the HTML designer writes HTML. The Java web > developer writes > the code to add the dynamic content to the HTML by > manipulating the HTML's > DOM. The DOM manipulation code looks for class attribute

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

D]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:24 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Tab Libraries? Bah! I've come to the following conclusions: - If Struts tries "to take the programmer out of the equation" completely, it will become an inferior solution. - Other page

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:23:39 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Tab Libraries? Bah! > >

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

From: Joe Osowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:15 PM > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > Subject: Tab Libraries? Bah! > > > > This kind of thing has really bothered me about Tag libs. > The whole point > of them is to ke

RE: Tab Libraries? Bah!

: 24 April 2002 20:15 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: Tab Libraries? Bah! This kind of thing has really bothered me about Tag libs. The whole point of them is to keep HTML code as simple and clean as possible right? But if you have to break down and use the <%%> snippet

Re: Tab Libraries? Bah!

List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Tab Libraries? Bah! This kind of thing has really bothered me about Tag libs. The whole point of them is to keep HTML code as simple and clean as possible right?

Tab Libraries? Bah!

This kind of thing has really bothered me about Tag libs. The whole point of them is to keep HTML code as simple and clean as possible right? But if you have to break down and use the <%%> snippets inline, does it not make the whole process self defeating? In my mind using <%%> snippets and