[OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-23 Thread Pieren Pieren
Could someone explain the tag highway=stop provided by the 'Map Features' page ? I would expect that all tags approved and moved to this "reference" page are clearly described. I found a wiki page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping/Features/Junction) saying : "Intersections with stop

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-23 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pieren Pieren wrote: | Could someone explain the tag highway=stop provided by the 'Map | Features' page ? | I would expect that all tags approved and moved to this "reference" page | are clearly described. [snip] | Well, fine, the foot note on the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-23 Thread David James
On Thu, January 24, 2008 12:46 am, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Pieren Pieren wrote: > | Could someone explain the tag highway=stop provided by the 'Map > | Features' page ? > | I would expect that all tags approved and moved to this "reference" page > | are clearly described. > [snip] > | Well,

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-23 Thread Robin Paulson
On 24/01/2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Shall we put the node on the way where the sign is, a little bit before > | the intersection (and how much) ? or is it planned to use a relation ? > | or does it really help to tag such signs (I mean, it does not influence > | rout

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-23 Thread Karl Newman
On Jan 23, 2008 5:15 PM, David James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, January 24, 2008 12:46 am, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > > Pieren Pieren wrote: > > | Could someone explain the tag highway=stop provided by the 'Map > > | Features' page ? > > | I would expect that all tags approved and m

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Jan 24, 2008 1:46 AM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We need a way to know where stop signs and give way (yield) signs are > and which direction they face. It probably requires a relation between > the node and the way they are on. I think we're going about this the wrong way

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread serge karamazov
Even if we mark right-of-way, how do we know there's a stop and not just a give way? I would also prefer something simpler than using a relation but it seems that's the way to go. Renaud. On Jan 24, 2008 10:26 AM, Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 1:46 AM, Rober

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread Jo
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 1:46 AM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We need a way to know where stop signs and give way (yield) signs are >> and which direction they face. It probably requires a relation between >> the node and the way they are on. >>

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread Gervase Markham
Jo wrote: > In the US it's best to actually also do that, cause they are very > strict about it. Oil company conspiracy The amount of petrol that must be wasted by American cars coming to a complete stop and starting again at an intersection where there are no other cars in sight must be eno

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread Michael Collinson
Sounds like we need highway=giveway too! Playing the Devil's Advocate, it is not sophisticated, but what is actually bad about just placing a separate node on the road with the stop/giveway sign/marking as suggested? There is a physical correspondence, that is where you stop. Very easy to ent

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread David Earl
On 24/01/2008 10:42, Gervase Markham wrote: > Jo wrote: >> In the US it's best to actually also do that, cause they are very >> strict about it. > > Oil company conspiracy > > The amount of petrol that must be wasted by American cars coming to a > complete stop and starting again at an inters

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread David James
On Thu, January 24, 2008 9:45 am, Jo wrote: > When the relation is not > there, I believe that it should be possible to deduce it anyway. It's > unlikely both streets will be of the same type. So minor and residential > will always have to give way to unclassified, tertiary and above, > logically.

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-24 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Jan 24, 2008 5:53 AM, Michael Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a physical correspondence, that is where you stop. Very > easy to enter; easy to process in routing algorithms (just count the > nodes and calculate a penalty?); easy to pull out and put in the > right place for rende

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-27 Thread Alex S.
Gervase Markham wrote: > Have these people not heard of Give Way/Yield or roundabouts? There are plenty of Yield and Roundabout intersections in the US. In fact, there are more (often unsigned) Yield intersections than any other type. ___ talk maili

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-27 Thread Alex S.
Jo wrote: > A stop sign is internationally a red octagonal sign with STOP written > on it in white letters. It means that officially a full stop has to > be made. In the US it's best to actually also do that, cause they are > very strict about it. Not everywhere. There is a maneuver known as a 'C

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=stop

2008-01-27 Thread Karl Newman
On Jan 27, 2008 7:30 PM, Alex S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jo wrote: > > A stop sign is internationally a red octagonal sign with STOP written > > on it in white letters. It means that officially a full stop has to > > be made. In the US it's best to actually also do that, cause they are > > ve