RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
I _strongly_ recommend National Instruments for anything GPIB-related. It is much cheaper on eBay than buying anything new from Agilent, and much better for your sanity than buying anything from an unheard-of GPIB manufacturer. I write a fair amount of homebrew T&M software; most of it is availab

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Daun Yeagley
Agilent also now has a USB to GPIB converter. Of course it's several hundred dollars also, and uses the Agilent I/O libraries. Not sure, but I think that it only supports Windoze. I'll check with some of my buddies that survived to see it that's the case. Daun -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
> I know :-( I checked the NI prices and for such a card they want a > couple hundreds Euros or more... > I am wondering... I know of the existence of USB <=> RS232 adaptors. May > be someone sells also USB <=> GPIB converters ? Nobody knows ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto, I do almost all

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... 73

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: >I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... > > I was wrong ! I have just found the drivers here : http://www.cec488.com/gpibupgd.html A free download... now the quest for the ISA PC can start... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD ___

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
> An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... 73 Alberto I2PHD

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have a

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Alberto di Bene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:45:59 +0200 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Kirkby wrote: > > > If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, > > then a GPIB board is not that exp

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Robert Lutwak
Blackbox sells an RS-232 - IEEE488 adapter box. Search for IC026A-R2 on www.blackbox.com. It's not cheap, about $750. -RL Robert Lutwak, Senior Scientist Symmetricom - Technology Realization Center 34 Tozer Rd. Beverly, MA 01915 (9

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
National Instruments sells (or at one time, sold) GPIB adapters that will connect to any port on your PC, including USB, parallel, RS-232, the drain in your bathtub, you name it. They are definitely the way to go. There are certain OS limitations; for instance, NT-based versions of Windows includ

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
David Kirkby wrote: > If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, > then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a > lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are > better supported than other makes. I have an ISA GPIB card colle

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: David Kirkby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David, > > Unfortunately, while my 5328B has the HPIB interface, my PC doesn't, so > > I cannot collect data automatically, otherwise

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know. Unfo

Re: [time-nuts] Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Matt Ettus
On 8/22/05, Tom Van Baak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of > the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: > > http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ > > If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat > the experiment let

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Tom Van Baak wrote: >I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of >the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: > >http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ > >If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat >the experiment let me know. > > > Unfortunately, while

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bill Hawkins" writes : >">1. It is unlikely that any power network just lets itself go, >>with no standard time/frequency to hold. The under-frequency >>relays would make that hazardous. > >Does not follow." > >Well, it doesn't follow from the watt-hour meter, but

RE: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote, quoting me, ">Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour >meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven >by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power meter which is th

[time-nuts] Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know. /tvb ___

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
John Day wrote: I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in the US. Try Siemens or ABB then, Ferranti has been taken over if I recall. The term is actually Ferraris, after Galileo Ferraris, the inventer of the AC induction motor. As far as I can tell, he had nothing to do with watt

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Alberto, The US is replacing meters too, but they are still "Ferraris" electromechanical meters with electronic readouts. The power grid will still need to be kept to a reasonable accuracy for the meters to read with a reasonable accuracy. The Ferraris type meter (G. Ferraris died 3 years be

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread John Day
At 10:00 AM 8/22/2005, you wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bill Hawkins" writes : Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uh

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >> >> I met a violinist some years back who suffered from a 440Hz tinitus on his left ear. When he tuned his fiddle after that, it was 440.0Hz measured >

[time-nuts] Re: Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Chuck Harris wrote: > A 10% variation in line frequency would cause a 10% variation in power > consumption registered. Induction type power meters will remain accurate > with a 10% variation in power line voltage, however. > > Someday, our utilities will convert all of our meters to solidstate >

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: >> Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power >> meter which is the most widely used meter in the world is not >> frequency sensitive within a band of +/- 10% or more. > >I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chuck Harris writes: I met a violinist some years back who suffered from a 440Hz tinitus on his left ear. When he tuned his fiddle after that, it was 440.0Hz measured with a frequency counter. Did you make this measurement, or were yo

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bill Hawkins" writes : Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong

RE: [time-nuts] Low cost synchronization

2005-08-22 Thread Schneuwly, Dominik
What about this: Use an NTP client running on a Smartphone. Such NTP clients are available for Pocket PCs, Symbian OS, etc. Dominik Schneuwly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: samedi, 20. août 2005 21:00 To: Discussion o