Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: "Lux, James P" writes: : : : : On 5/19/09 1:15 PM, "Russell Rezaian" wrote: : : > At 12:58 PM -0700 2009/05/19, Hal Murray wrote: : >> USB has a bad reputation, but I think it's way way overblown. Yes, it's : >> polled, but that polling is done in hardware and the ti

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Lux, James P
On 5/19/09 1:15 PM, "Russell Rezaian" wrote: > At 12:58 PM -0700 2009/05/19, Hal Murray wrote: >> USB has a bad reputation, but I think it's way way overblown. Yes, it's >> polled, but that polling is done in hardware and the time scale is 1 ms. If >> you are satisfied with an accuracy of a

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Russell Rezaian
At 12:58 PM -0700 2009/05/19, Hal Murray wrote: USB has a bad reputation, but I think it's way way overblown. Yes, it's polled, but that polling is done in hardware and the time scale is 1 ms. If you are satisfied with an accuracy of a few 10s of ms, USB works fine. The problem is the GPS unit

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Hal Murray
li...@philpem.me.uk said: > All of which are running the SiRF 3.2 firmware, so if there is a > firmware bug in play, they're all going to be doing much the same > thing... I'm pretty sure that all the SiRF units I was watching had essentially the same behavior, and that included one using RS-2

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: I started collecting low cost GPS receivers a year or two ago. I thought I had some with the SiRF-II chips. Either I can't find them or I didn't actually get any. I've been "collecting" the OEM modules for about the same amount of time. That said, I haven't got that many -

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Hal Murray
li...@philpem.me.uk said: >>> Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III >>> based. Do you know what firmware these were running? >> Nope. If you know the recipe to find out, I'll ask them. :) > Failing that, the "sirfmon" app that comes with gpsd might get the > re

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III based. Do you know what firmware these were running? Nope. If you know the recipe to find out, I'll ask them. :) I just scanned their NMEA documentation and didn't see any way to get it. If memory serves

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Hal Murray
li...@philpem.me.uk said: > Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III > based. Do you know what firmware these were running? Nope. If you know the recipe to find out, I'll ask them. :) I just scanned their NMEA documentation and didn't see any way to get it. > How

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-18 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hal Murray wrote: One case was a gross software bug. I think it was triggered by a pending leap second. http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/ntp/leap-gps.gif Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III based. Do you know what firmware these were running? How are you

[time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts re time pips

2009-05-18 Thread Murray Greenman
Geoff, I'm not in a position to check at present, but have also noticed discrepancies in the time pips in the past. I'd not use a GPS receiver for this, as they can easily indicate a second or so out. I use a GPS Disciplined Receiver (HP Z3801A or Trimble NTGS50AA) for the job. I suggest you talk

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-17 Thread Hal Murray
> I am assuming my GPS clocks I have are correct (too early here to get > WWVH reception). > Hoping the one second delta is not me! I have seen consumer grade GPS receivers be off by a second while claiming to be OK. One case was a gross software bug. I think it was triggered by a pending

[time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-17 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Att NZ Time nuts: Normally National Radio (AM and FM) is a reasonable source of time in New Zealand, and the time pips are normally within about 200 ms of UTC atomic time (due to coding delays in the digital transfer of the audio program). However today at 11am and Noon (local time 18 May 2009) I